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Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by mentos on Thursday December 09, 2021 @08:46AM (#29497237)
Worth watching this interview too 'Paul McCartney Breaks Down His Most Iconic Songs' - https://youtu.be/u97_inloBmY?t=74

Paul McCartney says one day he woke up and had the melody to Yesterday in his head.

He says that some musicians dream about music but don't remember it when they wake up. For him he was able to remember and block out chords.

For me that is what a musician does - 'dreaming awake'.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by circlefavshape on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:00AM (#29498926)
I've often hopped out of bed in the middle of the night with an AMAZING tune in my head from a dream, and recorded it on my phone. They've invariably been shite when I listened to them the next morning
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by reader5000 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:32AM (#29499445)
I've somewhat had this phenomenon, with the added observation that if I listen to the recording multiple times it will "click" and will sound good again. Then I wonder if it actually sounds good or what.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by scelerat on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:32PM (#29501095)
I write songs too, and this is often how it works for me.

Songwriting is like any other kind of creative work. You come up with an idea, put it into some concrete form. That first recording. If it's shite, give it a minute and then come back to it with fresh ears and think about what you like about it and what you don't like. Take away the parts you don't like. Maybe you can think of something else that works with what you already like. Work that in. Evaluate. Rinse, repeat.

Sometimes you just have to abandon stuff that isn't working and move on to something completely different. That's OK too. Just keep doing it and your output will get better and better.

Even though it can be fun, in order to do it well you have to work on it. Your tenth song is going to be better than your first song, and your hundredth song is going to be better yet.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by circlefavshape on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:20AM (#29508329)
Hehe I'm kinda flattered that you think I sound young enough to dish me out some advice about songwriting
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by scelerat on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:20PM (#29515577)
I tend to entertain the notion that anyone posting publicly isn't posting solely for their own indulgence but to others' benefit as well.

insofar as making stuff goes, especially art, I think there are widely held views that it either comes easy to you, or you don't do at all. It doesn't occur to some people that to be good at something (even something "fun") you have to work at it and put in time that decidedly isn't fun.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by GDC7 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:14PM (#29500096)
> shite

Yesterday is only good when you hear it in hindsight, knowing the commercial success that it had and under the influence of halo effect

Honestly every song of that Level is.

You have to put together a good album and it can make it to 100k copies sold .

Everything above 100K copies is more telling about the luck and the scope of the promotional campaign supporting it then it says about the album itself .

It’s a phenomenon you see in every field .

Gisele Bunchen is beautiful but not 400M dollar beautiful

Bill Gates is smart but not 170B smart

The Mona Lisa is a great painting I guess but not 1B dollar worth

Jesus was a pretty cool role model , but not a 3B devote follower type role model dictating that the world stops on his birthday

All the above phenomenons rely on a mix of luck, vitality and as well as people not thinking about potentially buying into something that could be overrated and ‘overpriced’ compared to cheaper options which is the definition of halo effect

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by dougmwne on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:53PM (#29500624)
You must have stepped on some toes there by bringing in religion, but it’s a solid point overall. A lot of artistic greatness comes down to familiarity, marketing, money and luck. It’s possible that experts can determine the difference between one of the best songs ever and other merely great songs, though I suspect it’s largely a matter of opinion and also some measure of self consumed bullshit like with wine snobs or audiophiles. There’s a big difference between bad, competent, and great. I’m not so sure about the various shadings of great, at least objectively. Subjectively I have my own personal favorites that speak deeply to me and that I highly value.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by tomcam on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:44PM (#29500510)
Jesus dictated the world should stop on his birthday?
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by GDC7 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:10PM (#29500845)
Well if he really existed as an historical figure (we highly suspect he did) then for sure he would not be displeased if he knew that the world came to a halt on his birthday and that he has 3B followers and not like Instagram followers who have an attention span of 1 minute, just the number 3 billion doesn’t really paint the whole picture . It’s the amount of waking hours that the totality of humanity spend thinking about him. Nobody even comes close . No king , no absolute dictator , no celebrity (modern or past). It’s power law on steroids

Many of the 3B dedicate at least an hour a day thinking about him and the values he tried to communicate , and in a very deep way

He was somewhat of a crossover between a magician , a cult leader an artist and a businessman self promoter so nobody can convince me that he would not the type to gloat about his success.

And honestly I can accept that . I’d rather have promotion about love and compassion than the technoutipian futurism such as crypto Jesus or rocket Jesus .

But as I said I have to point out that luck plays a huge role . So many people tried to sing the virtue of compassion and love via story telling but only Jesus broke out and became a figure with 3 billion religious followers

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by tomcam on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:07PM (#29502263)
That was a very long non-answer
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by GDC7 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:23PM (#29502455)
Short answer :

He didn’t dictate it, but he’d be pleased about it.

He was a human being after all, if you want to cut him some slack you can compare him with a contemporary Buddhist monk.

They too have an ego

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by burntoutfire on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:08PM (#29514880)
Too bad it's not his actual birthday, but rather an arbitrarily chosen day in year by the Roman Church to coincide with an already-existing holiday (winter solstice).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by tomcam on Sunday December 12, 2021 @11:37PM (#29536661)
> but he’d be pleased about it.

How do you know? Citation needed

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by thecolorblew on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:31PM (#29501090)
Jesus was/is Lord, a Liar, or a Lunatic... cannot be "pretty cool role model" or "great teacher" without conceding he's God
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by mooooses on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:35PM (#29501133)
Have you heard the fourth L? Legend? A compelling argument and one i looked into at one point. Im devout now, but it stopped me for a time.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by GDC7 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:46PM (#29502695)
Bingo.

Also The most famous celebrity ever

Nobody even comes close

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by amanaplanacanal on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:12PM (#29502313)
Or stuff was attributed to him long after his death that he didn’t really say. Which seems... obvious?
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by mooooses on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:48PM (#29500569)
He rose from the dead

https://youtu.be/CIVvpFojbzk

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by op00to on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:51PM (#29500604)
Is there proof of that?
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by mooooses on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:13PM (#29500884)
Depends on the proof you’re looking for. There are convincing arguments but it depends on what will satisfy you. How could I prove JFK was assassinated? Well there are mountains of proof, including video evidence. But what of that existed in 33 ad? Well we do have some evidence but it’s not as numerous as history produced today. Looking at the time period though, there is some pretty good evidence of what happened, but at the end of the day it is a conviction that only you can come to. Through my own research and experience I am convinced that he did, and through what I believe he has done in my life. But I realize that is not sufficient for some. Not even God himself was able to convince some of his divinity. I recommend the youtube video I linked, it’s a homily by a bishop about the historicity of Jesus. Not too lengthy.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by auspex on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:03AM (#29497412)
What he’s talking about is when you’re deep into music, that small time between deep sleep and when you’re waking up you have almost a lucid dream where amazing music comes to you. The problem is right when you wake up. It vanishes. The “hit” song is on the “tip of your brain” … then gone.

It happens to me and musicians I know. On occasion you remember one.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by loydb on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:20AM (#29497586)
Stevie Ray talked about learning amazing solos from Hendrix in his dreams, but he could never remember them when he woke up.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by tenkabuto on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:45AM (#29499613)
I have this happen every once in a while, and I love it. That state between sleeping and full wakefulness is one of my favorite things to experience because of things like this, hearing music, and also being much more creative. I've learned to stay in the state for a decent while - seemingly lengthening it from seconds to a number of minutes - by keeping my mind relaxed/loose. (The state of transitioning from wakefulness to sleep is also nice, but it seems less readily "useful" in this way.)

As someone that wouldn't regularly consider themselves a musician, hearing music out of nowhere is super cool but weird.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by VBprogrammer on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:18PM (#29500939)
For some reason I could count on getting into that state fairly regularly when I went home to visit my parents and slept on a slightly uncomfortable spare bed in their house. The exact reason is a bit of a mystery to me. I suspect a mixture of factors come together to make it more likely.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by dhosek on Thursday December 09, 2021 @10:45AM (#29498666)
I tend to have two kinds of musical dreams: there are those when my fingers are magic and everything comes out amazing and those when everything comes out awful. I think I've managed to retain a dream melody once or twice.

Recently I dreamt a poem that was absolutely amazing but when I woke up it had melted away even before I awoke. I have some dribs and drabs of it that I'm trying to reassemble into something coherent.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by Joeboy on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:04AM (#29498991)
Were you disturbed by a person from Porlock?
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by dhosek on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:43PM (#29506481)
Yes. Later the authorities determined I was merely a poet and thus not a concern.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by AnimalMuppet on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:03PM (#29499913)
This is why Keith Richards kept a tape recorder by his bed. "Satisfaction" started this way.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by BitwiseFool on Thursday December 09, 2021 @10:36AM (#29498528)
Sometimes when I hear music playing in the distance my mind "fills in the gaps" and I hear a "new" song. I wonder if this is a related phenomenon.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by klodolph on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:57PM (#29500682)
Developing that skill makes it easier to be a songwriter, but I think most people do it to some extent.

One of the tricks is that sometimes when you hear a song in your head, it's a bit sloppy and has some blanks in it. Like, there may be a melody with a descending run, but it's not clear what the steps are in the descending run or which notes it starts and ends on.

Another one of the tricks is that people typically focus on the topline melody, but if you hear a song in your head, you probably also at least "hear" the bass, or even other internal voices in the harmony. But without practice, you might not know that this is what you're hearing in your head, so you might struggle to put it to paper.

For a basic example from the Beatles, take the first line of the chorus for Yesterday, "Why she had to go". The melody holds the same pitch for the first two notes "why" and "she", but the bass is descending. If you know the song Yesterday, you can probably hear that descending bass in your head. If you can translate that to paper, you can transcribe songs. If you can hear songs in your head and transcribe them, you can write songs.

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by handrous on Thursday December 09, 2021 @10:50AM (#29498756)
If I try, and focus, and am in the right mood, I get some pretty good-sounding symphonies, just kind of happening. Never any other kind of music. Which is weird because I mostly listen to various forms of popular music.
Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by stadium on Thursday December 09, 2021 @12:12PM (#29500069)
It's possible to train your mind to do this. It's not just musicians who find their inspiration in dreams.

Albert Einstein and Salvador Dali practiced naps while holding an object over a plate. When they dozed off and dropped the object, the clang would wake them and they could better remember their thoughts from the dream-like state moments before.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3023078/how-dali-einstein-and-ar...

Re:How songwriters felt watching the new Beatles documentary by conradfr on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:04AM (#29497423)
In the Muscle Shoals documentary Lynyrd Skynyrd's guitarist says the two guitar solos in Sweet Home Alabama came to him note for note in a dream.