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Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by rightbyte on Sunday December 05, 2021 @05:37AM (#29448241)
This is so user-unhostile I wanna cry. Most companies just want the power to force antifeutures on the users nowadays.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by RugnirViking on Sunday December 05, 2021 @06:32AM (#29448502)
The Microsoft acquisition of Minecraft is inexplicably one of the few big tech acquisitions that hasn't completely destroyed the product. It's impressive
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by fnord123 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @07:29AM (#29448760)
Eh, aside from making java and bedrock incompatible, requiring Xbox live accounts to play, deleting customer accounts in the transition to Xbox live, making realms which are different somehow from java and bedrock (many parents had a devil if a time figuring out how to setup a server for kids playing on all the platforms during lockdown)... Aside from this they didn't ruin it.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by wolrah on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:11PM (#29450775)
> Eh, aside from making java and bedrock incompatible

The "Minecraft Pocket Edition" (MCPE) code that became Bedrock predates Microsoft's involvement by over three years. Bedrock is actually Microsoft's effort to unify versions, eliminating the separate legacy console editions and providing cross-play with PC, mobile, and other console users.

Java remains separate because the consoles will never run Java and the modding community that exists around the Java version just can't be replicated on the Bedrock codebase. If it weren't for mods I guarantee Java edition would be dead.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by xcjs on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:26PM (#29478430)
Not to mention, there's no official way to self-host Minecraft servers for Bedrock. I think that's another factor to consider when it comes to the Java edition's survival.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by ZoomerCretin on Saturday December 11, 2021 @02:22PM (#29523467)
There are a number of custom Bedrock-edition Minecraft servers, as well as an official release from Mojang/Microsoft.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by xcjs on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:01PM (#29545252)
You're right, there is an official release now! This might change a few things about my opinion.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by aceazzameen on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:57PM (#29451173)
Yeah, I'm a parent that was new to Minecraft during lockdown. It didn't take me long to figure out Bedrock and Java are incompatible, but I did have to explain it to other parents with kids that wanted to play with my kids (my kids play on Bedrock to be most compatible).

My biggest issue is the amount of friction when creating a new Microsoft account for a child. I have to walk through other parents in creating a MS account for themselves (if they don't have one), then how to make a child account with a username, then finding and ticking a bunch of checkboxes to allow online play, then launching Minecraft and signing in with the new child account. It's way too many steps with email verifications. It's >30 minutes. In just my circle there's several parents who gave up and sadly their kid can't play with their group of friends. People outside of tech don't have patience for that crap. This is all outside the fact that each console has their own form of friction in allowing kids to play online.

C'mon Microsoft, you can improve the new user process. Just make an optional in-game wizard asking parents a bunch of questions so kids can play ASAP. And if the issue is that it wouldn't fit in with the one-size-fits-all MS accounts used for everything else, then flag the "wizard-built" accounts as incomplete so parents can go through making a 360 account another day. Damn metrics.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by elzbardico on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:48AM (#29458580)
Frankly, this is the kind of friction that I would like to see more in all things involving minors in the internet. If people can’t be bothered to jump through the hopes required to create a somewhat safe online identity for their kids, one that they should be supervising, maybe it is best their kids stay offline for their own safety, because their parents can’t be bothered to make sure they are safe.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by goblin89 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:18AM (#29449042)
IMO the worst among the things Microsoft is doing to Minecraft is introducing an in-game currency (to an already paid game!).

They target Bedrock for this, and I strongly suspect once it starts bringing in extra money they will essentially kill further Java edition development.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by eropple on Sunday December 05, 2021 @11:07AM (#29450266)
IMO, the Java edition doesn't really need additional development, though. It's absolutely nice to have, but the reason (for me) to play the Java version is the community.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by goblin89 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @11:38AM (#29450512)
The problem in this scenario will be feature disparity. If they want, they can add cool stuff to Bedrock, and make vanilla Java version feel old and obsolete just the way 1.12 (which probably has the most mods) looks now when compared with fresh 1.18.

Then, by making Bedrock available to people who paid for Java, they would give a hassle-free way for players and modders to try it, and many will probably stick to the latest version.

I do hope, if this scenario comes about, the community will keep the Java version alive by maintaining feature parity, but there’re fundamental issues where some features might not be easily backported on Java due to performance limitations, plus community fragmentation as different modders try to backport same new features in different mutually incompatible ways.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by xboxnolifes on Sunday December 05, 2021 @03:53PM (#29453136)
> Then, by making Bedrock available to people who paid for Java, they would give a hassle-free way for players and modders to try it

It would be hassle free for vanilla players, but certainly not for modders. There are years of community support built around the Java version that would need to be moved to bedrock to make moving the modding scene hassle free.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by bombcar on Sunday December 05, 2021 @11:31AM (#29450457)
Correct - many modpacks are still on 1.7 or 1.12 anyway.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by mimimi31 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:01PM (#29451214)
Also mass locking Microsoft accounts that were created without providing a phone number[1].

For some reason they locked my completely unused Microsoft account, that was created for the sole purpose of migrating my Minecraft account to, due to "unusual behavior" (or "activity that violates our Microsoft Services Agreement" if you go by the error message instead of the corresponding knowledge base article).

The reasonable thing to do in such a case if of course to require users to "[verify] [they] are the account owner" by receiving an SMS verification code on an arbitrary phone number (they explicitly mention the possibility of "asking a trusted friend or family member" for this).

[1] https://github.com/MultiMC/Launcher/issues/4093

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by CrazyStat on Sunday December 05, 2021 @10:39AM (#29450031)
Java and Bedrock were already incompatible before Microsoft for involved, that wasn't their doing.

Realms are obviously different because the two versions are incompatible.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by CursedUrn on Sunday December 05, 2021 @03:30PM (#29452883)
Also they added microtransactions on many platforms. I did expect them to ruin it more by now though.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by rightbyte on Sunday December 05, 2021 @07:55AM (#29448908)
Ye well MS can't wish the old offline installers out of existence I guess.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:44PM (#29451681)
...is there an offline installer for Java Minecraft? I think it always downloads most of the real game at first run.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by null4bl3 on Sunday December 05, 2021 @03:20PM (#29452761)
They soon plan to only allow logging in with Microsoft accounts no?
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Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by bavxo on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:46AM (#29449222)
Since you said “Microsoft improved the product” and this is a software product, I don’t see any other possibility than talking about writing better code.
Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by DonHopkins on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:50AM (#29449249)
A product is a whole lot more than code. Sounds like you've never shipped one.

So back to the point: What did you think of the words that Markus said?

Do you agree with Markus Persson that Zoe Quinn is a "cunt", and think that Markus was right to tell her so publicly and personally on Twitter?

Do you think it's a good business decision for Microsoft to associate themselves with those words?

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by bavxo on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:10AM (#29449354)
>Do you agree with Markus Persson that Zoe Quinn is a "cunt", and think that Markus was right to tell her so publicly and personally on Twitter?

I don’t know either person but I think they both should have a right to say whatever they want.

>Do you think it's a good business decision for Microsoft to associate themselves with those words?

I think people will care for two days and then forget about it. It’s irrelevant. Some people will boycott the product if they stay associated but then some will like what happened and will buy if they let the guy stay as a way of supporting him. Overall it will make zero difference.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by DonHopkins on Monday December 06, 2021 @06:52AM (#29458608)
You just really stepped in it, and revealed an extremely ugly side of yourself that you probably didn't intend to. No wonder you're using a freshly minted green throw-away account: you're too embarrassed to stand behind your own words with your real name, you don't belong here, and nobody here agrees with you or cares what you think.

I suggest you go look up "GamerGate" before you humiliate yourself any more in a public discussion about Minecraft by standing up for what Markus Persson said while unconvincingly claiming not to know who he is or what he meant.

>I don’t know either person but [bullshit redacted].

You don't have to personally know both people to have an opinion, but you've already made yours quite clear. So don't bother posting your next formulaic "but" excuse: "I'm not misogynistic, but what's the big deal about calling a female game developer who's been viciously and systematically attacked by GamerGate a cunt?"

You also miserably failed to explain why you mistakenly thought I was talking about code quality, and why you naively think code quality is all that matters in a product, and why you believe Microsoft should stand behind Markus Persson after he publicly called Zoe Quinn a "cunt" (and said a lot more horrible, sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, and thoroughly asinine things, too) and aligned himself with and carried out the goals GamerGate, like you just did.

So next time, use Google and Wikipedia before opening your big fat mouth and pretending to be ignorant, and stop getting all your news and misogynistic arguments from 4chan. But at least now we all know where you're actually coming from, and just what kind of a person you really are, and why you're embarrassed to associate your own name with your vile opinions.

I won't bother giving you any URLs to prove my point, because your own words already have, and I'm quite sure you know exactly what I'm talking about, but you're just playing coy and falsely claiming "I don't know X, but ..." because you're a troll. And if not, which I doubt, then look it up yourself.

Re:One decade later, Minecraft world generation is interesti... by stolsvik on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:32AM (#29460935)
Is such a comment really ok?