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Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by beagle3 on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:07PM (#29384559)
Amazon had (perhaps still has) whispernet - a global coverage of cellular networks. It was used to download books to your kindle, essentially anywhere in the world, without having to have a local plan or WiFi.

It was 2G iirc, enough for book download. Uploading a perceptive hash of what you are watching - e.g. a frame every few seconds - also fits on 2G speeds.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by bryanrasmussen on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:05PM (#29385282)
Ok, so...

TV phones home a lot, with info about stuff, some info big lots of bandwidth.

could there be an attack with buying some tvs and putting them on public WiFi - and could one find a way to increase the amount the tv was sending so it amounted to an attack - but still have plausible deniability.

If tvs were put on public wifi, which I guess there is no reason why you shouldn't put your tv on public wifi, and the tv is using lots of bandwidth, and your tv is popular in a country with lots of free wifi, is that tv manufacturer guilty of an attack on the free wifi infrastructure of that country?

I'm asking for a short story or several I might write some day.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by bogwog on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:35PM (#29384908)
Also maybe I'm mistaken, but don't most modern cars have a built in modem for sending telemetry to the manufacturer as well?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by hellojesus on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:08PM (#29385306)
Yes. Toyota seems to like putting the transceiver behind the glove box, forcing you to introduce a bundle of rattles to your newly purchased vehicle to remove. Also, I'm pretty sure removing it disables some of the front speakers, requiring manual wire connecting to get them back. You could maybe leave the device in there but encase it in a Faraday cage, but still rattles are introduced.

Ford, iirc, places it on the floor under or behind some seats making it much easier to deal with.

I think MA just passed a law about not allowing vehicles sold there to sell your telemetry data or something.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by vineyardmike on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:57PM (#29385782)
> I think MA just passed a law about not allowing vehicles sold there to sell your telemetry data or something.

i believe they just have to share the data with others, which they don't want to do.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by scoopertrooper on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:42PM (#29385000)
Whispernet is dead from what I understand. As countries began shutting down 3G networks, Amazon was no long able to get connectivity at a price point where it was economically feasible.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by ceejayoz on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:58PM (#29385198)
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by rdtwo on Monday November 29, 2021 @09:37PM (#29388232)
Why not use helium network?