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Re:BMW removing touchscreen from a bunch of models due to ch... by amelius on Sunday November 28, 2021 @04:38PM (#29373302)
Yeah, just look at the average office phone, e.g. [1]. Almost nobody knows what all those buttons do, and when you can press them. Just give me a touchscreen like I have on my smartphone!

Same for printer menus. To get the IP address of your printer, you have to wade through 1-line menus and print a physical page, seriously?

[1] https://cdn-web.vtp-media.com/products/CM/CM18445/CM18445_VT...

Re:BMW removing touchscreen from a bunch of models due to ch... by tmh88j on Sunday November 28, 2021 @04:49PM (#29373383)
All of those buttons in the image you linked are labeled. What do you find confusing about it, and how would a touch screen make it any less confusing if you don't know what the labels mean to begin with?
Re:BMW removing touchscreen from a bunch of models due to ch... by amelius on Sunday November 28, 2021 @05:19PM (#29373672)
The labels are mostly just one word, so not very helpful. That conference button, what does it do? Will it ask me to type in the phone numbers of to-be-invited participants?

Also the buttons are not context sensitive. Ideally they should disappear when you can't press them. I want a basic interface with clear options, and unfolding menus whenever I want to do something more advanced like making a conference call.

Re:BMW removing touchscreen from a bunch of models due to ch... by ant6n on Sunday November 28, 2021 @05:36PM (#29373842)
Well nowadays tough screen controls have no affordances, it's not even clear what areas can be pressed, much less what actions it will engage.
Re:BMW removing touchscreen from a bunch of models due to ch... by tmh88j on Sunday November 28, 2021 @05:36PM (#29373850)
>The labels are mostly just one word, so not very helpful. That conference button, what does it do? Will it ask me to type in the phone numbers of to-be-invited participants?

How would a touch screen change that?

>Also the buttons are not context sensitive. Ideally they should disappear when you can't press them.

Ok, so you enter a menu and now you have a "conference" button displayed, but you still have no idea what it does. I think touch screens are useful for actions that require a lot of interaction like entering navigation, but removing physical controls for basic inputs like volume knob or HVAC controls is an obnoxious anti-pattern, especially Tesla moving the wiper controls to a menu. Dirty windshields and worn out wipers are enough to make auto-sensing wipers act inconsistently. Removing the physical controls from them is a stupid fashion choice, much like Jony Ive screwing up the MacBook pro over the last decade in the name of design.