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Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by tomjen3 on Friday November 19, 2021 @12:59AM (#29274287)
When human rights are denied anywhere, it is the business of people everywhere.

States exist to protect human rights and states that don’t have no right to exist.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by charcircuit on Friday November 19, 2021 @02:31AM (#29274730)
Human rights are made up. What might be considered a human right to you may not be considered a human right to the Chinese government.

You should be more open minded that different people and cultures have different values.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by anders_p on Friday November 19, 2021 @02:52AM (#29274838)
Wow...

Do you think women shouldn't have rights too, if a country's government doesn't think they are worthy?

That we shouldn't care about the treatment of migrant workers in the Middle East?

Apartheid was fine? Slavery?

I mean, as long as the country's government thinks so, and the "cultural values are different".

It's honestly disheartening to read a comment such as yours here.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by charcircuit on Friday November 19, 2021 @06:20AM (#29276068)
Please read my comment in context to what I was responding to. The person who I was responding to said essentially "If a government doesn't follow my values it should be dissolved."
Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by Kbelicius on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:59AM (#29275185)
Wow... GP said that human rights are made up and not that he thinks that people shouldn't have any rights, made up or not.
Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by saba2008 on Friday November 19, 2021 @05:32AM (#29275764)
>You should be more open minded that different people and cultures have different values.

So I can start owning slaves, if I claim it fits my values? Or I need to gather some minimal number of fellow slave owners, so I can declare it 'culture'?

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by charcircuit on Friday November 19, 2021 @06:13AM (#29276038)
That is a more extreme example so by it will make what I say sound more extreme.

>So I can start owning slaves, if I claim it fits my values?

Keep in mind that owning a slave is illegal in many places. Laws are also shaped by culture. So if you moved somewhere were slaves were legal then yes you could.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by mechanical_bear on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:33AM (#29275040)
> Human rights are made up

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on HN.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by piaste on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:13AM (#29275265)
It's a human idea and a human invention, developed in a certain historical context. Calling it "made up" is pejorative, for sure, but not at all wrong.

It isn't like the Hubble Deep Field has a pattern that spells out "all human beings are born free and equal" or something.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by Kbelicius on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:53AM (#29275159)
I agree with GP that human rights are made up but would love to hear why and how you think they aren't. That would be a far better read than this pointless post that doesn't contribute anything to discussion.
Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by charcircuit on Friday November 19, 2021 @06:23AM (#29276085)
If you asked me what human rights I have I couldn't tell you. Do I pick stuff from the bill of rights, do I pick stuff from my religion? How do I know what rights I have?
Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by dillondoyle on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:36AM (#29275057)
Did you write that?! great turn of phrase though in my brain i needed a comma to place pause, even if not technically correct (lol)
Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by tomjen3 on Friday November 19, 2021 @02:37PM (#29281307)
I did. An advantage of Toastmasters is that you start to learn to craft such phrases because they make excellent point in speeches.

A disadvantage is that you put in commas and -- for pause, not for correct grammar.

Re:A Xiaomi phone might’ve shipped with a censorship list in... by dillondoyle on Saturday November 20, 2021 @01:37AM (#29286064)
Nice! I am a big fan of the emphasis comma ;)