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Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by refurb on Thursday November 18, 2021 @11:33AM (#29267330)
When I lived there a while back the shock to me was the “What nationality are you?” when trying to find a place to rent. Discrimination was commonplace and even explained away by the majority.

I will say that the “law and order” aspect is way overblown. Residents will break laws and take shortcuts just as they do in the West. The difference is the government will not hesitate to make an example out of you (doubly if a foreigner).

It is very impressive what Singapore has accomplished but there are a lot of problems under the surface that rich expats never see.

Oh and the deference to authority is prevalent. Their Covid contract tracing app went from “for Covid only” to “general law enforcement” right quick with barely a peep from the voters before the govt passed a law making it all “legal”.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by neither_color on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:05PM (#29270544)
That's common throughout Asia, also bookings getting canceled when they realize you're not "that" kind of American. As a non-white American who's traveled extensively throughout Asia and Europe I'm very confident when I say that the US is one of the least racist places in the world. Not saying it's perfect, dont want to hear your thoughts on the "the system." The kind of candid in your face "I dont like your skin color" that you read about in school actually is more prolific outside of the US than in it. We've overcome a lot and America is great for that. Thank you civil rights movement.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by 2143 on Friday November 19, 2021 @01:17AM (#29274371)
I have a theory about this: in America people seem to be aware that at least some of them are racists. Therefore, they're doing something about it.

In the places I've been to in Asia, racism is not something that's actively thought about. People still have biases within them, but because it's not something they ever discuss or think about. Hence they don't even realize they have those biases.

Perhaps one reason could be that some those places aren't very racially diverse to begin with, at least not as much as America.

I'm from Asia, and I've lived in America for a few years. Trust me, I was treated more politely in America than I would've been in my own home country lol.

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Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by CanceledAccount on Friday November 19, 2021 @12:38AM (#29274177)
The police kill innocent people of all races in the US. Look up Tony Timpa. We have a police violence problem for sure. But we are still one of the least racist countries in the world.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by sjwalter on Thursday November 18, 2021 @05:23PM (#29271396)
You know, I've thought this same thing for a while now. I'm an immigrant to the USA and I've traveled extensively. All these woke folks that try to make it seem like America is the world's most racist hellhole crack me up. They're clearly the kinds of Americans who never got passports.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by dang on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:47PM (#29282987)
Please do not take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's tedious, repetitive, and nasty. The comment you replied to was on the right side of the line, while yours pushed the thread into hell. Not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: it also seems like your account is on the border of using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. That's the line at which we ban accounts, because it's the line at which they start being destructive of the site. If you'd please fix this, and use HN as intended (for intellectual curiosity and thoughtful conversation), we'd appreciate it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by refurb on Thursday November 18, 2021 @09:06PM (#29273025)
No, he's saying the people claiming the US is a "racist hellhole" don't know what a racist hellhole actually is.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by AnimalMuppet on Thursday November 18, 2021 @09:28PM (#29273115)
OK, but "these woke folks" don't say that we've come a long way from the 1950s or 1850s. They sound like we're still a nation that has legal slavery.

I'm not saying that they should settle for where we are now. No, we need people who keep pushing us to make good on the check that Jefferson wrote when he said that "all men are created equal". But when you talk as if we've made no progress, people who are at least nominally on your side are going to start tuning you out. That may not be good strategy...

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by zokula on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:59PM (#29272982)
Says the person who never had guns drawn on them just for their skin color.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by dang on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:47PM (#29282985)
Please do not take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. It's tedious, repetitive, and nasty.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by dang on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:46PM (#29282981)
If you post another personal attack to HN, we will ban you. We had to warn you about this just recently.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by zzzzzzzza on Friday November 19, 2021 @08:02PM (#29284606)
i am sorry i will try to reflect on my negativity recently dang :P
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by dang on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:46PM (#29285381)
Appreciated!

Btw, we all, save maybe a few enlightened ones, have negativity to reflect on. Probably the enlightened ones do too. The goal isn't to get rid of negativity—that's would be setting the bar far too high. We just want to prevent negative swipes from making it into the comments here. You can take care of that via the 'edit' link after you post; that's what I do. You can also set 'delay' in your profile if you want time to review your comment before it gets seen; I do that too.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by whynaut on Friday November 19, 2021 @12:17AM (#29274068)
that last sentence comes off extremely rude
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by justicezyx on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:15PM (#29268584)
> Discrimination was commonplace and even explained away by the majority.

Could you name a few example? I have college friend who live and work there, and they never mentioned discrimination. Although we are both Chinese mainlander, might be treated as part of majority.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by mediumdeviation on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:57PM (#29269054)
I'm surprised - China's recent foreign policy certainly has not endeared it to South East Asian countries, but even before then mainland Chinese were not exactly treated with open arms in Singapore. You probably won't find it said to your face, but xenophobia against foreigners from China and India is definitely not uncommon.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by MomoXenosaga on Thursday November 18, 2021 @02:46PM (#29269546)
Discrimination against Chinese goes back 500 years.

There are several reasons: Chinese are rich. Nobody likes the rich. Chinese are foreigners. Nobody likes foreigners. Chinese are heretics and infidels. Nobody likes those. Another cause is the, admittedly brilliant, tactic of divide and conquer that Western colonial powers used. Set the natives up against the Chinese merchants instead of white government officials. The Chinese conveniently lacked the firearms and navy guns that the whites had access to.

There have been many downright genocidal riots against the Chinese across the region. The Chinese government was too weak to do anything about it.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by mediumdeviation on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:52PM (#29271101)
That's not the case here - Singapore is majority Chinese. The sentiments you see are more run of the mill xenophobia - Chinese mainlanders are here to take our jobs, they're loud and unhygienic, they can't speak English, their Chinese has a different accent, etc. You won't hear it being said to your face, but these are not uncommon views.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by xhevahir on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:54PM (#29271125)
The comment was about mainland Chinese specifically, not ethnic Chinese, who in Singapore form the majority of the population. In countries like Indonesia--where riots like ones you mentioned have taken place--they are a small minority.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by rajin444 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:48PM (#29268269)
> When I lived there a while back the shock to me was the “What nationality are you?”

Why do they feel the need to ask that question? Are issues with people of specific nationality more prevalent?

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by PakistaniDenzel on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:02PM (#29268441)
Anecdote from when I lived there: Some landlords would prefer not to have Indian tenants to avoid them stinking the kitchen out as they often cook very aromatic food.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by justicezyx on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:13PM (#29268564)
Nothing different than what I encountered who don't like Chinese students tenants because we like to cook ourself, and Chinese cooking uses stir frying a lot which causes a lot of smell...
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by another_story on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:54PM (#29271118)
Most kitchens are not equipped to deal with it. Over time the oil particles build up and coat everything in a near impenetrable layer.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by King-Aaron on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:29PM (#29272776)
My wife is Singaporean with Indian heritage, and from what she's told me I think it's because Chinese Singaporeans don't like Indians.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by pelasaco on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:47PM (#29270299)
I was renting an apartment in Portugal, and the landlord said me the same thing. I love curry, It didn't bother me, but sounds like an issue.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by mistrial9 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:11PM (#29269842)
from my short experience living in Hong Kong and travelling the region a bit.. there is a common, daily practice of identifying people by race and language, that is explicitly discouraged or illegal in the USA
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by kyawzazaw on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:05PM (#29269767)
Racial quotas also exist to my knowledge for some residence communities.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by quantumwannabe on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:48PM (#29271057)
Singapore has racial quotas for public housing (where most of the population lives) and the reason is to prevent ethnic enclaves from forming. https://www.gov.sg/article/hdbs-ethnic-integration-policy-wh...
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by tubby12345 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:57PM (#29271153)
you're very far down for someone that has absolutely the most precise reason...
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by mediumdeviation on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:12PM (#29272659)
It only applies to purchasing a resell flat. Renters are not affected by this.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by King-Aaron on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:28PM (#29272768)
I recall seeing signs in windows like "Staff needed, Malays need not apply" etc
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by coldtea on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:14PM (#29267833)
>When I lived there a while back the shock to me was the “What nationality are you?” when trying to find a place to rent. Discrimination was commonplace and even explained away by the majority.

So, like the US, but with less hypocrisy about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining#Current_issues

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by nwiswell on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:40PM (#29268168)
I'm not interested in defending redlining, but you _cannot_ ask the question at issue in the US.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by coldtea on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:14PM (#29272673)
That's the hypocrisy part: you can still do it, and it happens all the time, but covertly.
Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by refurb on Thursday November 18, 2021 @10:14PM (#29273380)
No, it’s actually illegal in the US, people have been penalized for doing it and if you are a victim of it there are ways to report it.

In Singapore it’s just tolerated.

Re:Singapore’s tech-utopia and surveillance state by BelenusMordred on Friday November 19, 2021 @12:43AM (#29274215)
> No, it’s actually illegal in the US

You are misunderstanding what the GP comment said. The reality is that landlords/employers can and do discriminate based on race, religion, age, etc all the time. They simply just can't say it out loud, that's the illegal part.

I find that Asian people tend to be pretty open about this stuff, whereas in the west it's taboo. Don't think that anyone would be foolish enough to try arguing that there's no silent discrimination occurring in the US.