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Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by thawSeh6s2p on Sunday November 14, 2021 @01:25PM (#29219230)
> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much

I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I'd consider that decent pay, especially for such a stable position with decent WLB(omitting pandemic). Up until the past few years RN only required a 2 year degree.

Teachers don't make as much, but average pay in my lower cost of living area, just crossed 60k. That's not terrible, especially considering they only work 9/12 months and can get more for summer school or many of them find side jobs.

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by Jap2-0 on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:57PM (#29221957)
> considering they only work 9/12 months

I think many teachers (almost all that I know, and all of the good ones) would disagree with you on that. Lesson planning, training/continuing education, scheduling, etc.

> many of them find side jobs

..why?

That is to say, I'm sure most people on here could get a side job if they wanted to. Is there a reason why teachers get side jobs and, say, programmers don't? (Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by ldehaan on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:56PM (#29222333)
Programmers get side jobs all the time. That's usually how you start your own business in my experience. People who work with people do it because that's what drives them and they find fulfillment in that job.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by edgyquant on Sunday November 14, 2021 @09:01PM (#29222780)
Probably not the side jobs most here have in mind but after almost 2 years of remote I’ve been seriously contemplating getting a night job at a bar or restaurant just to meet folks and the little bit of money (relative to my salary and equity) would just be a bonus.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by lovich on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:13PM (#29221682)
I thought teachers spent much of the summer break maintaining certifications and incorporating new school regulations into their lesson plans for the next year. I don’t think it’s a 3 month break for them
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by loeg on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:48PM (#29222280)
My teacher friend usually gets a full-time summer job at a college prep program, totally unrelated to his school-year employer. (Anecdote.)
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by rhexs on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:39PM (#29222206)
Most teachers absolutely do get a 3 month break. They’ll have a few workshops at most.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by mellavora on Monday November 15, 2021 @04:55AM (#29225630)
my sister was a teacher for 20-odd years, then she went through a Ph.D. program in education theory, and now teaches teachers. So below is not based on "knowing one or two teachers", but on knowing how teachers are trained/certified and what professional standards are.

Most teachers work hard over the summer, it isn't a break. Pay isn't great.

And a certain mainstream political group puts significant effort into demonizing the profession and destroying the pay/benefits packages... which matters, because in public schools, the politicians hold the purse strings.

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by samplatt on Sunday November 14, 2021 @08:17PM (#29222486)
People in here seem to be using "most" to mean "people I know personally".

To add another data point, every teacher I know uses at least a third of their "break" for lesson planning. Usually more.

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by akavi on Sunday November 14, 2021 @11:36PM (#29223747)
To add another data point, _every_ teacher I know (I know three) use less than a month of their three month break on lesson planning/continuing education/staff obligations.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by coryrc on Sunday November 14, 2021 @09:10PM (#29222842)
And some tech workers work 12 hours/day. That's on them for making poor decisions.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by chillacy on Sunday November 14, 2021 @01:29PM (#29219261)
FAANG senior engineers get in around 350-400k and with recent stock appreciation some are hitting 400-600 depending on tenure and company performance.

Source: levels.fyi

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by ghaff on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:00PM (#29221592)
Which is an exceptional level relative to just about everyone except execs at larger public companies. It's by no means remotely normal.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by bradleyjg on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:53PM (#29222315)
It’s certainly very good. But many physician specialties are in the same ballpark. Unlike executives at public companies they are a non-trivial size population. There’s also white shoe lawyers, investment bankers, and management consultants but not as many as the doctors AFAIK.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by chillacy on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:40PM (#29221849)
Oh totally, but GP never said the words "normal", only "much"

> they don't get paid much

which is how I suppose we're on the topic of arguing the semantics of "much". I think GP should have said "as much" to clarify, since this is a comparison between two specific jobs.

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by lordnacho on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:05PM (#29219601)
The US healthcare system is a bit special. I tend to think about Europe, since I'm from there. Nurses don't make nearly as much from what I gather.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by short12 on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:29PM (#29222144)
> many of them find side jobs

This might just be a Midwest thing but those sidejobs typically involve something drinking related

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by fortran77 on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:59PM (#29221969)
Schoolteacher pensions in CA are worth millions, and they’re not taxed on the imputed value of this wealth. Also in CA they qualify for BMR housing, another untaxed benefit. And in CA they don’t pay SS tax.
Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by zrail on Monday November 15, 2021 @05:48AM (#29225910)
> they don't pay SS tax

This isn't really a benefit. Public employees with access to a state pension generally don't pay into SS because their state pension is is lieu of social security. They pay into the pension instead and have to hope it exists in the future, which for many states is significantly riskier than relying on federal social security.

Re:Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech re... by propogandist on Sunday November 14, 2021 @10:51PM (#29223475)
there are nurses pulling in $200/hr locally (travel nurses usually). Due to shortages, some hospitals are allowing 6 days of work (typically 12 hr shifts) and nurses are making ridiculous amount of money, if they can manage it mentally and physically.