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Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by refurb on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:25AM (#29198637)
There are 196 countries and this study says the UK is ranked 189th?

Have they visited developing countries?

This an absurd statement.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by vanderZwan on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:29AM (#29198653)
You're honestly surprised that countries that haven't gone through full industrialization have more untouched nature? That countries that mostly depend on tourism from people who want to see unspoiled nature for their economies do better in this score than the UK?
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by FooBarBizBazz on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:50AM (#29199209)
No, honestly it matches what I've seen. Britain is painfully deforested.

Yes, "developing" countries have more litter, but they are also less "developed" -- by which we really mean, the land has not all been converted to farms and cities and industrial buildings and pavement.

Britain is not Mordor, but the shortage of trees and animals is real. Too much of it is an empty green lawn.

Whereas really it should be a temperate rainforest, fuelled by the Gulf Stream. It is a wet, lush, and fertile place. It just needs to regrow.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by InitialLastName on Friday November 12, 2021 @09:30AM (#29199569)
> Britain is not Mordor, but the shortage of trees and animals is real. Too much of it is an empty green lawn.

Ahem, I believe industrial Britain is meant to be Isengard.

Edit:Format

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by fennecfoxen on Friday November 12, 2021 @09:38AM (#29199630)
What?! No. Isengard is somewhere in Central Europe. Britain is the Shire, and Bree. Industrial Britain is the Shire after Frodo gets back, the part the movie skipped (elevating the modern Iraq War veterans experience of “I am the one who changed and don’t belong anymore” over the WWII veterans experience of “even the place I love changed”.)
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by toyg on Friday November 12, 2021 @09:53AM (#29199799)
Isengard is France, with Orthanc being Paris - at the time of writing, the cultural centre of Europe, a shining metropolis full to the brink with earnest intellectuals, and still completely unable to resist turning into the Vichy Regime.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by IanCal on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:31AM (#29198664)
I would expect that more developed countries would have had greater impacts on their biodiversity due to the development itself.

Would you have expected it the other way around?

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by refurb on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:59AM (#29198842)
Developed countries tend to have a far smaller footprint from industrialization per unit of output than developing countries.

When your entire population shits into the main river that does a pretty good job of killing biodiversity even with minimal industrialization.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:34AM (#29199085)
> When your entire population shits into the main river that does a pretty good job of killing biodiversity

Yes, but enough about the UK

1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/17/rivers-i...

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by refurb on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:48AM (#29199194)
Haha… no.

Failed tests is nowhere close to “so much shit nothing can survive”.

Goes to show how out of touch that metric is.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by toyg on Friday November 12, 2021 @09:19AM (#29199453)
You're literally commenting under a piece that says the Thames was (and largely still is) so shit that nothing could survive.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by southerntofu on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:57AM (#29199265)
> Developed countries tend to have a far smaller footprint from industrialization per unit of output than developing countries.

Source? If you're talking about semi-modern countries like India or China specifically it makes sense because they are torn between very poor and very rich areas, both having access to some level of industrial capitalist comforts (eg. people in slums have cell phones and industry-produced clothing).

But, the matter central to this question is that these "developing" countries are in fact the ones producing all the shit we use in the "developed" countries. Production has been outsourced there not only for price of work, but also with the clear conscience that it would reduce pollution in the global north. [0]

> When your entire population shits into the main river that does a pretty good job of killing biodiversity

Yet that's not the only solution. Poop makes for very good compost.

[0] Industry pollution is a well-known problem on a big scale since at least the 19th century, when English/French cities (or at least their popular districts) were filled with acid and lead and other industry byproducts killing the population very fast.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by p1esk on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:22AM (#29199005)
When your entire population shits into the main river that does a pretty good job of killing biodiversity

I’d expect the opposite.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by kergonath on Friday November 12, 2021 @10:02AM (#29199890)
There is an optimum in the middle. Too much organic matter is harmful, as bacteria decomposing it use the oxygen and emit nitrites.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by quesera on Friday November 12, 2021 @11:42AM (#29201277)
Fertilizer runoff creates a dead zone at the Mississippi River delta.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by globular-toast on Friday November 12, 2021 @12:17PM (#29201852)
> Have they visited developing countries?

Have you? Most places in the world have huge swathes of wilderness. Britain has close to none. It's not so much about how "bad" the human populated places are. It's about how much space is left for the rest of nature.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by causi on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:48AM (#29198782)
It's a measure of "biodiversity intactness", not human habitability. A country that's been industrialized for hundreds of years will have a lower rating than one that was hunter-gatherer until a century ago.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by bellyfullofbac on Friday November 12, 2021 @08:01AM (#29198860)
You (I'll paraphrase): "They did a study and my assumptions have been violated, so I'm going to say it's absurd!"

Obviously it depends on what things they measured. If it's "Number of people named Cumberbatch" the UK would probably be ranked no. 1, so they could've also designed a study to make the UK look bad. But if I can guess, I don't think you read the study and its conclusions.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by refurb on Friday November 12, 2021 @06:41PM (#29205825)
When a study arrives an absurd conclusion then yes I’m happy to dismiss it.
Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by bellyfullofbac on Saturday November 13, 2021 @06:53PM (#29214230)
Well, I guess you can feel free to know what you know, and dismiss anything that goes against your beliefs before even examining their arguments. That's the way to remain smart!

/s

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by mytailorisrich on Friday November 12, 2021 @09:57AM (#29199842)
Developing countries tends to have a less damaged wilder environment than the UK and Europe, which are almost 100% man-made at this point: Everything has been planted for humans' benefits and any large wide animal that did not fit in killed off.

We actually want to help developing countries to develop without ending like Europe.

Re:London's Thames, once biologically dead, has been coming ... by BoxOfRain on Friday November 12, 2021 @02:34PM (#29203587)
Britain was the first country to industrialise, it'd be surprising if it wasn't so low.