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Re:Google Outage in Europe by scrollaway on Friday November 12, 2021 @05:42AM (#29197973)
As time passes, the more big cloud providers there are, and the more complex they individually get (more products).

Assuming the chance of an outage is actually static. If there is one (highly reliable and trusted) provider with five products one year, and three providers with ten products the next year, the chance of you seeing an outage has gone way up because of surface area.

Re:Google Outage in Europe by deepstack on Friday November 12, 2021 @06:32AM (#29198243)
More reason to promote for self-host, and decentralised systems like smtp, matrix.org, ActivityPub. The idea of having all the data and server concentrated in a few player such as google, amazon, ccp is not reliable for the digital operation of the planet.
Re:Google Outage in Europe by kertoip_1 on Friday November 12, 2021 @10:40AM (#29200343)
The question is: should we trust small, underfunded, hobbyist servers more than large corporations that have a money-driven reason to maintain high quality of services?
Re:Google Outage in Europe by riffic on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:04PM (#29202503)
for the average end user: heck no.

for those with budgets to hire server administrators (or pay for third-party managed services)? yes.

second category includes almost anyone with a large following like institutional users.

hell the incumbent social media service operators can white-label their existing software and sell this as a service.

Re:Google Outage in Europe by deepstack on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @03:28AM (#29250371)
Not really many open source project such as nextcloud, mattermost are easy to host your self, or the hosting provider provide it as an app.
Re:Google Outage in Europe by fragmede on Friday November 12, 2021 @02:15PM (#29203388)
Yes. Like some sort of workspace? Google could make one. I wonder what they'd call it?
Re:Google Outage in Europe by scrollaway on Friday November 12, 2021 @03:17PM (#29204043)
I’m sure Google wonders the same thing, given that it’s had like five different names over the years.
Re:Google Outage in Europe by altgoogler on Friday November 12, 2021 @11:28AM (#29201040)
Disclaimer: am Googler.

Self-hosting is a good option, especially when mixed with multi-cloud offerings.

The big rub is that it's really hard to approach the same level of availability the cloud offerings already give you. Depending on work-load, self-hosting is typically more expensive.

This is why the SRE book talks about availability budget. You can't have 100% uptime, so how much do you want to pay to get close to it?

Re:Google Outage in Europe by querez on Friday November 12, 2021 @05:48AM (#29198003)
Except that Google services don't run within GCP, but apart from it (mostly on Borg I'd guess).
Re:Google Outage in Europe by jsty on Friday November 12, 2021 @06:13AM (#29198128)
Their internal platform is likely analogous in terms of accumulating complexity (and a bit of cruft) over time though
Re:Google Outage in Europe by nefitty on Friday November 12, 2021 @07:34AM (#29198682)
If anyone else is curious, Borg is Google's cluster management software: https://kubernetes.io/blog/2015/04/borg-predecessor-to-kuber...
Re:Google Outage in Europe by scrollaway on Friday November 12, 2021 @06:10AM (#29198115)
The above applies to cloud as understood by techies just as b2c cloud as understood by laypeople.