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Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by amelius on Thursday November 11, 2021 @05:29AM (#29186480)
How do they deal with pirates?
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by kwhitefoot on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:02AM (#29186682)
Well, we could presumably fit remotely operated guns; after all Norwegian ships already shoot back.

"Kommunikasjonssjef Ellie Davison i Stolt-Nielsen bekrefter overfor VG at oljetankeren Stolt Apal søndag ble angrepet av pirater i Adengulfen, 75 nautiske mil sør for Jemen.

Hendelsen fant sted like før klokken 14.

– To små båter beveget seg i høy fart mot skipet, med seks bevæpnede pirater om bord. Etter flere varselskudd fra vaktene om bord på skipet, begynte piratene å skyte mot skipet, sier Davison.

Vaktene om bord fortsatte å skyte mot båtene, noe som resulterte i at en av dem ble satt ut av funksjon. Dermed ble angrepet avbrutt.

– Broen fikk mindre skader fra kuler, men det var ingen personskader, ingen forurensning og ingen last om bord ble truffet. Et krigsskip fra anti-pirat-koalisjonen svarte, og Stolt Apal fortsatte sin reise, sier Davison."

Translated (badly) by Google because I'm too lazy to type it all:

"Communications manager Ellie Davison in Stolt-Nielsen confirms to VG that the oil tanker Stolt Apal was attacked on Sunday by pirates in the Gulf of Aden, 75 nautical miles south of Yemen.

The incident took place just before 2 p.m.

- Two small boats moved at high speed towards the ship, with six armed pirates on board. After several warning shots from the guards on board the ship, the pirates started firing at the ship, Davison says.

The guards on board continued to fire at the boats, which resulted in one of them being put out of action. Thus, the attack was interrupted.

- The bridge received minor damage from bullets, but there were no injuries, no pollution and no cargo on board was hit. A warship from the anti-pirate coalition responded, and Proud Apal continued his journey, says Davison."

And don't forget that in value per capita Norway is one of the biggest arms exporters in the world thanks to the Kongsberg Pingvin missile system. Mind you I think that might count as overkill for a reaction to a bunch of Somali pirates with AKs in a rickety speedboat; perhaps a radar controlled light machine gun would have to be developed.

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by lb1lf on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:11AM (#29186733)
> (...) perhaps a radar controlled light machine gun would have to be developed.

The Phalanx CIWS would fit the bill nicely (except for the 'light' part) [0].

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsf38NYzo5Q

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by WJW on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:51AM (#29186953)
Fun fact: CIWS are not actually that great for shooting at pirate skiffs, since 1. They typically require radar lock before being able to fire in the first place and a fiberglass dinghy has a really low radar cross section and also typically not enough doppler since it doesn't go at anti-ship missile speeds. 2. The manual override for this behavior has "rather poor" UX to say the least, since it is not really a core feature of the system. The whole point of a CIWS is that it's only used in the last few seconds of an engagement at speeds at which humans cannot react. 3. The ammunition used is typically subcaliber armor piercing discarding sabot type rounds. They are optimized at taking down an anti ship missile if they hit by destroying the guidance section of the missile or (if you get a lucky hit) detonating the warhead. They will just go through a pirate skiff and come out the other end. The skiff is lighter than water so it won't sink.

What you want is a 76mm gun or a RWCS like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitrole, preferably firing airburst and/or flechette rounds. They have a much better probability to hit and disable the target than a CIWS.

Source: Used to be a weapons engineering officer for the Royal Netherlands Navy. A ship I was on caught some pirates off the coast of Somalia once and (after the pirates were taken into custody) we tried to sink their vessel with the CIWS, leading to the lessons in the post above. It turns out it is really tough to sink something lighter than water by punching holes into it and the expected "the CIWS will saw the dinghy in half" effect was much less than we hoped.

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by lb1lf on Thursday November 11, 2021 @08:08AM (#29187467)
-Thanks! This is why I love HN. :)

My work takes me offshore on occasion, and twice I've been on vessels in pirate-prone areas; the different approaches taken were quite telling:

a) On a vessel flying the Norwegian flag - 'Oh, we'll just train our fi-fi water cannon on them, end of story, everybody will hail us as humanitarian as f*k for using water rather than lead - except the result is the same.'

b) On a Marshall Islands-registered, US operated vessel - a handful of private security contractors, using .50 guns retrofitted with bayonet mounts compatible with the ones used for the smallest water cannon - so at the first sight of pirates, they'd set up shop and, ah, encourage the pirates to pursue other career paths.

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by PostOnce on Thursday November 11, 2021 @10:29PM (#29196050)
Kongsberg's got ya covered for that too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_(RWS)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROWS

They might even still make parts for their old explosive harpoons in case your ship is attacked by whales.

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by hoseja on Thursday November 11, 2021 @05:54AM (#29186633)
Presumably easier than regular ships, where, as I understand, the crew are mostly just a convenient source of hostages.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by chrisjc on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:41AM (#29187261)
Perhaps they can bring the hostages aboard.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by DeathArrow on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:19AM (#29186780)
The pirate ship will be autonomous, too. The fight between the commercial ship's crew and pirate's ships too, will be a virtual death mach.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by throw0101a on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:09AM (#29187063)
Sounds like a William Gibson novel.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by tonyedgecombe on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:03AM (#29187027)
The new pirates will have CS degrees and understand buffer overflows.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by rory_isAdonk on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:26AM (#29187165)
The new pirates will ssh aboard.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by simon1573 on Thursday November 11, 2021 @09:14AM (#29188012)
Can't wait for the aband0n_sship 0day
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by GoodbyeMrChips on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:06AM (#29187047)
Pirates in a Norwegian fjord?

Don't be daft!

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by folli on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:35AM (#29187228)
Yes, they prefer to be called Vikings.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by tokai on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:46AM (#29187300)
Nah they wouldn't be called viking if they stayed in Scandinavia to do their robbing. Viking was the name for men travelling to foreign shores.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by monkeybutton on Thursday November 11, 2021 @08:13AM (#29187496)
i am a jackass please ignore me
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by tokai on Thursday November 11, 2021 @08:27AM (#29187597)
>There's no crew on board so you don't have to worry about collateral damage.

The article is about passenger ferries.

Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by go_elmo on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:23AM (#29187147)
if they keep it a CLI only tool pirates wont be able to do anything but sailing towards the end destination where police would be waiting. Quite hard to unload containers on a moving ship too, I guess
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by tokai on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:30AM (#29187188)
This article is not about container ships. But still in that case you destroy the drivetrain and tow the ship.
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by booleandilemma on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:11AM (#29187076)
A self-destruct mechanism maybe?
Re:What Norwegians are learning as they pioneer autonomous s... by alexvoda on Thursday November 11, 2021 @10:00AM (#29188507)
By draping banners with warnings, of course.

You wouldn't download a ship, would you?