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Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by asxd on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:38AM (#29147244)
I highly recommend checking out diffusion networks for image generation. It's hard to put in words the difference between diffusion and something like VQGAN, but the images have a much more organic quality. Here's a mish-mash of images [1] I generated recently. A few (like the bears) used initial images to get the process started, but most are from just a text prompt (the large image of the dog at the bottom right was the result of using another network to upscale one of the outputs).

The results need to be cherry picked, but I'm frequently surprised by the good images. For instance, after some attempts I got this nightmarish result for "my neighbor totoro" [2].

edit: It can also be very satisfying to see the process unfold throughout the iterations, starting from noise and eventually settling on a very convincing imaging [3].

https://ibb.co/6mNTMjH [1] N.B: Probably SFW, but some images are oddly disturbing

https://ibb.co/7KCvXPG [2]

https://imgur.com/a/HEBM0uq [3]

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by reayn on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:12PM (#29146073)
Pleasantly surprised with what I got for "misty mountain":

https://i.postimg.cc/ryDWKPXT/image.png

I wonder, what stops someone just using one of the images generated here as their own "art"?

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by Gigachad on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:40PM (#29146167)
Nothing. Past cases have settled that the copyright goes to the person who used their creative process to sort through the computer generated images and pick the quality out.

So by typing misty mountain and selecting it as good, you are most likely the copyright owner of that image.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by littlestymaar on Monday November 08, 2021 @05:14AM (#29147795)
Oh interesting. Do you have a source by any chance?
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by Gigachad on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:32PM (#29154552)
I did some more searching and it looks like its actually a little up in the air right now but that proposals are looking at making it work this way. So the AI would be considered something like photoshop where if you use the tool to create something, you are the copyright owner.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by im3w1l on Monday November 08, 2021 @09:18AM (#29149501)
That the result may be considered a derivative work of something in the training set.

And to give my hot take: My current thinking is that the law should take a strict stance here, as the produced images will compete with, and may substitute for the original ones.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by Gigachad on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:34PM (#29154567)
What are the original ones? There is likely no previous image that looks anything like this generation. When you draw a picture, you aren't required to credit every piece of art you have seen in the past which inspired your style.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by MiddleEndian on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:44PM (#29145715)
Someone entered "unreal engine hyper-realistic retro futuristic cityscape" and the results were a fantastic match:

https://i.ibb.co/BVSFHpN/image.png

My own query, "clown factory" was a bit less obvious:

https://i.ibb.co/TYDmRT1/image.png

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by leodriesch on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:45AM (#29146906)
I think the ability of this model to create truly horrifying pictures is remarkable.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by j03b on Sunday November 07, 2021 @08:23PM (#29145290)
While waiting for my query to generate, I was graced with "Hacker News", felt it was worth sharing back to this thread :)

https://imgur.com/a/OKW411E

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by layer8 on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:14AM (#29146747)
I got something more ominous for "hacker news": https://i.ibb.co/hYVPh6k/hacker-news.jpg
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by captainmuon on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:20AM (#29147489)
I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but I have a strange feeling about AI image or text generators. Who can prove that it actually does what it says?

I have a conspiracy theory: Somebody found a way to quickly generate pictures in this style in a semi-manual fashion, and hired a bunch of people to fake this, mechanical turk style. I have never found an interactive generator that completely convinced me, neither for images nor for text. Either the results are really bad, or the responses take so long that a person could have made it.

But why would somebody fake something like this? There is a lot of money in AI. It seems totally plausible that someone invests five or six figures to set up a fake demonstration, in order to raise millions in investments.

Now I want to make clear while I get a big Theranos vibe from these kind of demos, I don't want to accuse anybody concretely. I think a lot is technically possible and I do believe a lot of research is real, but I also believe some demos are "fake it till you make it" territory.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by lloyddavis on Thursday November 18, 2021 @05:46AM (#29264066)
David Weinberger has written here: https://aeon.co/essays/our-world-is-a-black-box-predictable-... about this difficulty of thinking about such systems - as others say, you can look at the code, but I understand the resistance to just accepting it.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by micaeked on Monday November 08, 2021 @05:08AM (#29147749)
I might be getting whooshed here, but if you're serious, there's a couple colab notebooks floating around, you can look at the code that generates it or run it on your own hardware. Here's one: https://is.gd/artmachine
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by captainmuon on Monday November 08, 2021 @06:12AM (#29148132)
Thanks! I'm only half joking. I used traditional machine learning in my PhD but never got into modern deep learning techniques. I tried a couple of collab notebooks and tutorials but never succeded with anything more complex than NIST numbers. I think over the holidays I'll give it another shot because I find this stuff really interesting (art generation, style transfer, but also transfer learning in general).

The conspiracy theory is more a jab at the fact that we live in a world with Theranos, NFTs, and clones of Dogecoin. There actually have been a couple of high profile AI fraud schemes, like Augustus Intelligence, where people collected investments and government money and probably never had a product.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by alecst on Monday November 08, 2021 @05:40AM (#29147963)
You can download the code and run it on your computer, without internet. Or maybe you can’t, and I’m just part of the conspiracy. Only one way to find out!
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by byhemechi on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:59AM (#29146986)
it's genuinely interesting to see the weird mix of random nouns, nerd things (not surprising considering what site i'm posting this on) and people trying very hard to get AI porn.

I put "all star by smash mouth in the style of the last supper" and was not disappointed (https://i.imgur.com/3flZ0CN.jpg)

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by loo on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:58PM (#29144797)
Nicely executed. Showing other people's results while you wait is great. What's your throughput? (images/sec)
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by batch12 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:14PM (#29146083)
Finally got to make it-- just had to trim the words some.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29004677

https://ibb.co/rvtFDR9

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by dotancohen on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:40AM (#29146871)
The would be great to illustrate a markov-chain generated blog.

I put "Starship landing on the moon" and "Starship landing on Mars". Let's just say that the results generated were far better than I would have produced given pretty much any medium to create in.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by noduerme on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:08AM (#29146725)
I won't say what I put in b/c I don't want my IP associated with my HN account, but it's basic and it keeps failing.

I did get to see something about "Jew money" scroll by along the bottom while I was waiting, so, thanks internet.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by jer0me on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:11AM (#29146734)
You put in your IP address?
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by noduerme on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:14AM (#29146745)
No, if I say what I "searched" for they'll be able to relate the IP address that requested it to this account.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by maydup-nem on Monday November 08, 2021 @07:42AM (#29148709)
i know that feel, bro, i am paranoid as well
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by gantagonist on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @08:20AM (#29161345)
Someone really needs to put a filter on that "latest images" section..

That said, this is impressive and extremely addictive!

For those interested, I'm posting some of my favorite results on IG (@gantagonist)

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by R0b0t1 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:30PM (#29145649)
Some of these are very cursed.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by batch12 on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:09PM (#29146058)
Yes.. "absolute nightmare terror photorealistic disney unreal lovecraft style"

https://ibb.co/Wyhcq3T

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by Gigachad on Sunday November 07, 2021 @11:45PM (#29146188)
Imagine using a future version of this to generate a VR game.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by kfarr on Monday November 08, 2021 @01:50AM (#29146648)
Trained on photos from your childhood
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by canjobear on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:15PM (#29145564)
See also neuralblender.com
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by kreeben on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:40PM (#29143759)
I did "creature that is half man half bear half pig" but out came a regular bearpig. I wonder if it first created a manbear, then replaced the man parts with piggie ones.

Anyways, very neat, this.

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by plutonorm on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:43PM (#29143776)
Men are a hybrid of monkey and pig already. https://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by kreeben on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:54PM (#29143857)
That's wild. First a chimp had sex with a pig. Then the same chimp had sex with the offspring. Then again with it's grandchildren. What a dirty chimp. But still, I'm glad they did it.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by mmmrtl on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:23PM (#29145612)
Just in case that wasn't intended sarcastically, that's a full-on crackpot theory (though admittedly amusing to think about) https://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/07/02/the-mfap-hypo...
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by plutonorm on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @03:01PM (#29166706)
Authority has a nasty habit of being wrong. But yeah, I don't put much store in the theory, amusing and subversive as it is.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by sktrdie on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:21PM (#29144561)
This is quite interesting. An About page would be nice though.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by couchand on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:42PM (#29145077)
while waiting for my mediocre results I saw "mech zuckerberg" which turned out pretty good
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by tyingq on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:54PM (#29145127)
"Woke Marxist coke" was great.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by reesericci on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:57PM (#29144389)
This is quite interesting. Will definitely play around with this!
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by techload on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:24PM (#29144580)
This is quite addicting!
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by bvrmn on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:47AM (#29147640)
Examples in tips don't work due to input size limit.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by im3w1l on Sunday November 07, 2021 @10:58PM (#29146019)
I really like the results it gives for abstract concepts.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by Rodeoclash on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:14PM (#29144524)
Looks like we broke it, a shame!
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by marcodiego on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:30PM (#29143691)
Looks like automated Picasso.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by hulahoof on Sunday November 07, 2021 @07:39PM (#29145056)
Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to hypnogram.xyz. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR

Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by tunnuz on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:50PM (#29143828)
This is so cool :)
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by mike_hock on Sunday November 07, 2021 @05:22PM (#29144116)
I guess the conclusion is, it doesn't work.
Re:Hypnogram: Create an image from text by dang on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:13PM (#29144514)
Of course it's fine and often helpful to post about specific problems you've encountered, but please don't do it in a generic dismissive way.

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html