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Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by simonh on Friday November 05, 2021 @08:44AM (#29118395)
OK it's pre-200x and you read about a new productivity app you want to try. You have to check it's compatible with your OS, figure out where and how you can buy it, wait for the diskettes or CD to ship or until you can visit a B&M store, run the installer, then manually enter a product key (fun!).

You'd be lucky to have it all done in less than a week and a few hours of your time. How soon they forget!

Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by ChuckNorris89 on Friday November 05, 2021 @08:53AM (#29118482)
>You have to check it's compatible with your OS

You still have to today. A lot of stuff is Mac/Windows/Linux exclusive. Sure, I can run Windows stuff on Linux and vice versa if I'm tech savvy, but Mac stuff requires buying Apple hardware, so that's a massive barrier right there.

>figure out where and how you can buy it

Or you could just download it. The internet existed pre 200x as well.

> then manually enter a product key (fun!)

Honestly, it was fun. Much more fun than the phone-home, always-on telemetry and invasive DRM that act like rootkits & spyware we have today. Good luck playing older games you bought and paid for who's DRM require authentication from the publisher's servers that went offline years ago. Yeah, fun!

Back then, you paid for the product, you got your license and CD key, you owned it forever. No subscription rent seeking model BS.

Maybe I'm just old and cranky.

Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by dhosek on Friday November 05, 2021 @09:41AM (#29119072)
> Or you could just download it.

Outside of free software/shareware, there wasn't a lot of software available for download in the 90s. And compatibility was a lot jankier in that the base systems sold to consumers were insufficient to run a lot of popular software. For folks like you or me, probably not a problem (unless you happened to have a graphics card that wasn't supported) since we'd generally have obscene (by the standards of the day) amounts of hard disk and RAM, but Mom's computer might have 4M of RAM and a 10G hard drive.

Back in the floppy disk era the thing that always drove me nuts was that most (with very few exceptions) software vendors put the software key on the label of disk 1. Which would be in the drive when they asked you to enter the software key. I remember some OS/2 software that put it on disk 2 instead and I wanted to go to the company and kiss whoever it was who decided to do that.

Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by jjkaczor on Friday November 05, 2021 @10:39AM (#29119916)
>You have to check it's compatible with your OS >You still have to today.

Well - as recently as a couple years ago - even if it was a web-based tool, you would have to check which browser was supported.

Things have gotten better now that Microsoft has deprecated the entire IE-chain and moved to Chromium-based Edge. Things "just work".

Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by simonh on Friday November 05, 2021 @11:46AM (#29120930)
The comment I'm replying to was in contrast to modern web apps. Hence the reference to OAuth, etc.
Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by kazinator on Friday November 05, 2021 @01:56PM (#29122630)
You still have to today ... and the darn thing will ask you to create an online account.
Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by zbrozek on Friday November 05, 2021 @11:45AM (#29120923)
It wasn't as onerous as you make it seem. Certainly that last bit - entering the product key - is way better than what we have today. I can save the key in a text file alongside the installer and the software can be reinstalled completely offline whenever I want.

I still have my Windows 98 product key and installer stashed away, purchased decades ago. And I actually used them a few months ago to stand up a VM to utilize an ancient printer.

Way better for me-the-consumer than the subscription-everything model. When software decides to go that way, I usually find a FOSS alternative or cling to the last standalone version.

Re:Why is Excalidraw so good? by kazinator on Friday November 05, 2021 @01:32PM (#29122333)
Online installable software became a thing pre-200X.

Being prompted to create an account to use a word processor didn't come until later.