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Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by IX-103 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:13PM (#29089402)
Can we stop using the term "processed foods"? It's a term so broad as to lose all meaning. Processed foods include anything cooked using any method and processes such as pasteurization and fermentation.

Other than fruits and an occasional salad, everything I eat is "processed" (cooked). When I see a headline like this, it literally tells me nothing. (Seriously it groups yogurt the same as root beer)

Even what people tend to think of when they think of processed foods, such as ready-to-eat foods, tend to be high in preservatives such as salt, sugar, vitamins, and other food-grade additives--but all of these have different nutritional effects.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by GuB-42 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:03PM (#29089839)
It actually has a rather precise definition, see: https://www.fao.org/3/ca5644en/ca5644en.pdf

Usually, articles about "processed food" really mean "ultra-processed". And the general idea is that ultra-processed food is that you extract food chemicals from what is usually the cheapest sources, and transform and recombine them into a final product. By contrast regular processed food normally starts with whole ingredients rather than extracts, often of better quality because you can't make up for lower quality using extra processing and additives.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by karaterobot on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:23PM (#29090006)
It's a legitimate point to raise, as page 3 of that report points out:

> Food processing in itself is not the issue. One obvious reason is that nowadays, practically all food is processed in some sense and in some way. The term ‘processing’ (like the term ‘industry’) is very general and therefore not helpful, and so judgements of foods simply because they are ‘processed’ are not meaningful.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by fnord77 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:02PM (#29090271)
"Minimally processed foods are natural foods altered by methods that include removal of inedible or unwanted parts, and also processes that include drying, crushing, grinding, powdering, fractioning, filtering, roasting, boiling, non-alcoholic fermentation, pasteurization, chilling, freezing, placing in containers, and vacuum packaging. The distinction between unprocessed and minimally processed foods is not especially significant. "
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by Ekaros on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:14AM (#29093550)
Interesting actually to see fractionation on that list... At least with distillation and like process it feels it should be solidly in processed food category.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by chrisseaton on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:21PM (#29089986)
> normally starts with whole ingredients rather than extracts

But the extracts come from whole ingredients, so if you think about where the extracts came from then the whole process is again using whole ingredients.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by xg15 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @03:33AM (#29091994)
Yes, and technically, fries are vegetables.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by xboxnolifes on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @05:10PM (#29100311)
Fries aren't unhealthy because they are cut. They are unhealthy because they are completely covered in oil.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by Joakal on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:18PM (#29089446)
Welcome to the same issue with organic, natural and even junk food that all have loose definitions.

What word do you like and your definition of it?

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by IX-103 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:54PM (#29089761)
I also have an issue with organic and natural* as well, but that's not exactly on topic.

If prefer people to use words that mean things. The article wasn't even about processed foods so much as how there is a nutritional model that shows high carbohydrate/low glycemic index foods are particularly fattening relative to their calorie content. The article could easily (and more accurately) be titled "New research highlights the damage from high carb/high sugar foods".

*I mean seriously, vitamin water is "natural"? That stuff is water and sugar alcohol, with a tiny bit of stevia added so it can appear on the ingredients list for people who look for that particular keyword. Those sugar alcohols do occur naturally, I guess, but not usually in foods, and never in such quantities (and never from high fructose corn syrup).

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by colechristensen on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:47PM (#29089705)
Don’t use vague broad terms.

If something has negative health consequences it’ll be one specific thing, not everything done by a machine.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by nine_k on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:53PM (#29089750)
Highly processed? Ultra-processed?

The idea is that the processing can alter the structure of the food lightly (grilling a steak), moderately (frying a burger), or deeply (making a sausage, with all the extractions, admixing, etc). Deep processing is often used to make less edible things more edible, less palatable things more crave-inducing, and less nutritionally good things more palatable.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by chadcmulligan on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:49PM (#29089726)
ultra-processed foods is the term you're looking for I think

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2019-06-19/ultraprocessed...

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by xyzzy21 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:39PM (#29090122)
Well "processed foods" ALSO contain chemicals that are never found in home-cooked food or traditional menus. Many of those chemicals are problematic.

But also "natural" ingredients are often bad as well as certain ratios (e.g. high sugar and fat together, all seed oils, etc.).

For example ALL seed oils are problematic; the only "fats" that is fairly safe are: butter, ghee, and coconut oil. The rest become dangerous with heat (especially unsaturated oils). So ANY food made with cotton seed, flax or similar oils are part of the problem.

Processed foods means "industrial made using ingredients optimized for profit". Using seed oils is cheap. Using preservatives to extend shelf-life so that 1-3 month warehousing and shipping is possible. Therefore these are used.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by csben on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:49PM (#29090182)
Do you have a source for your claim that '"ALL" seed oils are problematic'?

Personally, I only use seed oil (canola) to cook with. I'd definitely be interested to know if that's something I should stop doing.

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by rileyphone on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:34PM (#29090474)
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_ratio_in_food - it looks like canola is less bad than most other seed oils but still not ideal. I've been using avocado oil but looking at this chart I am thinking I will incorporate more butter and coconut oil.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by adamkochanowicz on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:27PM (#29090035)
Came here to say this.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by xg15 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:23PM (#29089489)
How about factory-processed foods or simply fast food?
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by stathibus on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:35PM (#29089596)
Not OP, but neither of those tell me any properties of the actual food. If two "factory processed" foods have something in common that's important, it's basically a coincidence. Tell me what factory processes are bad, or something.
Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by IX-103 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:42PM (#29089659)
Is there something about being made in a factory that makes things unhealthy? Are all things that are made in a factory unhealthy (factory farming, factory packaged salads, etc).

Anyway, the article was not about any of that. It was about a nutritional model describing how excess carbohydrates and low glycemic index foods would be more likely to result in obesity.

None of that has anything to do with whether the food was processed, made in a factory, or packaged for convenience. Yet all are reasonable conclusions from the title. The only information in the title is effectively that "there may be a good that is bad for you".

Re:New research highlights the damage caused by processed food by chrisseaton on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:21PM (#29089990)
> or simply fast food?

A banana is fast food.

What do you think it is about fast that makes food bad? If I put my banana in a pot for an hour does it become better food? Nonsense.