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Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by tombert on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:52AM (#29067318)
I'm kind of an idiot with anything terribly elaborate in the financial world, so forgive a bit of a dumb question: what are the downsides to bonds instead of using something like a CD?
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by dragontamer on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:02AM (#29067526)
> I'm kind of an idiot with anything terribly elaborate in the financial world, so forgive a bit of a dumb question: what are the downsides to bonds instead of using something like a CD?

CDs, TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities), MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities), Munis, Corporates... these are all so called "debt instruments".

Your question is roughly equivalent to "What is the downsides to investing into Stocks instead of AAPL??" Well... sometimes AAPL goes up, sometimes it goes down. Stocks are... well... AAPL -IS- a stock.

Similarly, CDs are typically a specific kind of bond: the type you get from a bank. But banks also sell traditional bonds.

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The main benefits of CDs is that they're (usually, but not always) FDIC insured. So if the bank goes bankrupt, the US Government steps in and will give you your money back.

The main benefits of "bonds" (which are a very, very broad category consisting of literally thousands, maybe millions of different things)... is that typical bonds can be sold on the open market.

That means that if the interest rates go down, you can sell bonds at a higher price. (Look, I have a 5% bond, and all you suckers are stuck getting 0.5%. Feel like trading? I'll sell you my $10,000 5% bond to you for $11,000.)

Of course, if interest rates go up, then bonds lose value. (Shoot, I have a 0.1% bond and everyone else has 0.5% bonds. I don't want to be stuck with this anymore, feel like buying this $10,000 bond off of me for $8500?)

Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by benmanns on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:55AM (#29067381)
I bonds in particular cannot be cashed out before 12 months, and before 5 years there is a penalty. Bonds are not covered by FDIC insurance and can default (though less relevant for US Treasury bonds which can print USD and more relevant for corporate/foreign bonds).
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by ballenf on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:58AM (#29067430)
What stops you selling them to someone else?
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by benmanns on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:02AM (#29067517)
I bonds in particular are closer to a CD and are not transferable. If you have access to credit, you could borrow and pay it back once your I bond matures is cashable. Other Treasury notes can be sold, though if rates go up you may get back less than your principal, particularly on the longer duration notes.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by rajup on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:03AM (#29067550)
Treasury rules? No redeeming for 1 year, and redeeming before 5 years means you lose the last 3 months of interest. You can gift them to other people though.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by jaywalk on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:00AM (#29067470)
They're issued to you, and have your name on them.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by edge17 on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:06AM (#29067586)
Nothing, you can buy and sell them in the secondary market.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by beervirus on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:31AM (#29068045)
Not true for I bonds.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by mhb on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:13AM (#29067723)
Where?
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by Raidion on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:01AM (#29067494)
I'm not an expert either, but the two differences that come to mind are:

CDs are FDIC insured, bonds aren't. This doesn't make a big difference when we're talking government bonds, but you can lose your shirt on a regular corporate/muni bond. You'll always get CD money back (subject to 250k FDIC limit)

Bonds also are also an asset that fluctuates in price: A bond can be sold at a price different from it's face value. This means that if interest rates rise, you're going to not be able to sell the bond for the same price you've bought it for. This is because you need to make up for the lower interest rate. CDs are just basically a loan on cash. Bonds are an asset (not cash!) that pays interest.

Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by Spooky23 on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:58PM (#29070399)
No, those arguments are not a factor.

FDIC insurance is backed by the US Government. US Saving Bonds are backed by… the US government. They can be redeemed at any time, subject to certain constraints. They are not tradable bonds — a TIPS bond would be the US government instrument that is tradable and inflation protected.

Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by dangle1 on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:49AM (#29068350)
This is a pretty limited tool, but in the last year it's caught the attention of people dismayed by low CD and savings account rates.

In that context, the argument is that this can be a good place to keep an emergency fund, provided one has enough emergency cash in other places to bridge the first year before the I Bond can be first redeemed. The withdrawal penalty between years 1-5 is 3 months of interest, so not terrible if being withdrawn in an emergency.

No one's getting rich off this instrument, but it could be a good low hanging fruit option for some.

Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by Spooky23 on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:55PM (#29070327)
Nothing other than the fixed yield on savings bonds has been lousy for the last 15-20 years.

It’s backed by the full faith and credit of the US government and interest isn’t taxed until redemption, so it’s probably the safest/simplest investment for a retail saver that’s out there.

Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by codegeek on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:59AM (#29067446)
Bonds are not guaranteed like CDs. Bonds can fail. You could lose your investment. Even though they are a lot more safer than stocks, but they are still a risky investment compared to CDs.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by loeg on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:35AM (#29068120)
Not really relevant for Treasury bonds. They’ve guaranteed with the full faith and credit of USG. If that fails, FDIC already failed.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by skizm on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:54AM (#29067369)
No access to your money for a fixed period of time and usually (much) lower returns than if you just invested in a broad market mutual fund / ETF.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by dekoruotas on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:01AM (#29067474)
If you manage to borrow 10k from somewhere else at 3% APR and invest here you're getting 410 risk free. Unfortunately it is capped at 10k...
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by driverdan on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:23AM (#29067897)
It's not risk free because the interest rate is re-adjusted every six months. If inflation drops back below 3% before the withdrawal penalty period expires you'd be in the negative.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by johng on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:53AM (#29067347)
The bond usually has a much lower yield because it is safer.
Re:US Series I Savings Bonds Now Yielding 7.12% by bluedevil2k on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:56AM (#29067402)
What? This isn’t correct, bonds have higher yields than CDs.