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Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by asdff on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:33PM (#29051175)
Today after work is over I still have things to clean, fix, prepare, butcher, etc. today too. Instead of repairing a thatch roof I'm working on shingles, but the amount of labor needed around the home and in domestic life even today is seemingly endless and somehow fills to expand all available free time like a gas in a container.
Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by vkou on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:53PM (#29051330)
> Today after work is over I still have things to clean, fix, prepare, butcher, etc. today too

But do you or your partner have to spend ~1200-2000 working hours/year spinning clothes for you and your household?

This was absolutely the norm in pre-industrial times. You couldn't just go down to the thrift store and buy a pair of jeans for $8.

When you clean, fix, wash and butcher, you have a dishwasher. You have a washing machine. You have a dryer. You have running water. You don't need to go down to the well, or to the river, to bring water up in buckets. You have electric heating - and you don't have to spend hundreds of hours a year chopping, seasoning, and splitting firewood, and then hauling it to your home. (And even if you do, you have far better tools to do it than were available back in the day.)

Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by asdff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @02:34PM (#29059175)
The nature of the work is different, but the amount of time spent doing work is still quite substantial even if we are mostly just operating machines. Plus other stuff has stayed the same, It hasn't gotten any faster to cook a piece of meat since that's limited by the laws of physics.
Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by legitster on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:44PM (#29051259)
The Hedonistic Treadmill. We're incredibly richer, but we are wired to always want something nicer.

We can wash our clothes so much easier but we insist on washing them after every wear. The net result is the same amount of time spent washing clothes (but they are always nicer).

Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by varjag on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:42PM (#29051730)
Except you don't wash them, you load and unload the machine. That's substantially less work (literally, in Joules) no matter how you dice it.
Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by asdff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @02:32PM (#29059153)
Its less work but if you do it multiple times as much its the same work or potentially more in a year.
Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by varjag on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:42AM (#29063975)
You get to throw a lot of tees in until it even begins to approach rubbing your robe clean down in the river.

And setting on laundry is largely a fixed effort, whether you do one item or thirty. Most people don't do one at a time.

Re:Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today'... by asdff on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:32PM (#29071811)
I do my laundry once a week if not more frequently with a decently heavy load. I don't go down to the river, but I've lived in apartment complexes where the laundry room was a few hundred yards and several stories away. You still do some stuff on per clothing bases, like folding, ironing, special care like certain things being air dried on hangers or some other surface. Some stuff washed cold or hot even. Some people have to shlep their stuff to off site laundry businesses much a kin to a walk down to the the river. I'm sure back then you'd only be washing a handful of thin linen underclothing regularly, outerwear if at all. These people back then also probably weren't washing bedding. Some doctors say the modern beds, while comfortable, are worse for the spine than a firmer surface still used in some cultures.