News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by soared on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:59AM (#28988566)
Title needs a changin. Almost all of these are just personal preferences on very minor ui elements. The author maybe has a valid point about (maybe?) losing customizations options, but loses the forest for the trees.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by qwerty1234599 on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:00PM (#28989338)
Yes. To me the original Reddit poster seems like a kid with way too much free time on their hands.

Operating systems should just be tools, using your brainpower to squint at accent colors or similar is just pure waste. Kinda like you don't give two shits about the asphalt color of the highway while driving.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by krono on Monday October 25, 2021 @02:12PM (#28991179)
The post is about much more than just the customisation options. He also highlights the reduced information density and the negatively impacted effort to effect ratio of the new controls and their layout.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by AnimalMuppet on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:10PM (#28989483)
OK, but changing stuff for no reason also wastes user brainpower.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by behnamoh on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:13AM (#28988715)
>> Almost all of these are just personal preferences on very minor ui elements

That's also just your personal opinion.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by tinus_hn on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:21AM (#28988814)
That is the common thread to clickbait armchair ui designer articles like this.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by nyxaiur on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:44AM (#28989117)
the minor is a bit of a bold statement in a complete design language overhaul.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by hulitu on Monday October 25, 2021 @03:25PM (#28991997)
" you can't change the fonts, you can't change the accent colors to anything else than the bland 4 colors that are provided by Google. "

This makes MS windows 1.0 look advanced. 1 GHz processor with 4 GB RAM and they are not able to include a font and color selector. And now MS is copying them.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by johnisgood on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:18PM (#28995695)
I never understood the lack of ability to select from the color palette. I saw it in way too many places. Why would you not just allow me to fucking pick any color I would like?

You can see this kind of trend in software that has to do with organization of whatever. You can pick between like 8 colors for your folders, for example, or labels. Like... is it too hard, or what is the reasoning? Laziness?

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by shucks on Monday October 25, 2021 @04:29PM (#28992732)
I really hope the plush, bubbly phase UIs have been going through the last few years will pass soon. This update is like a caricature of it. My phone suddenly feels like it's designed for a todler.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by kgin on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:23PM (#28990533)
Android 12 looks like a Dribbble concept. Looks great in screenshots but way too overdesigned for normal use
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by shreyshnaccount on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:43AM (#28989101)
big tech is offensive to the user
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by pxc on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:58AM (#28989307)
seriously.

I thought this article was going to be about the many substantive problems with platforms like Android

turns out it's entirely about cosmetic annoyances

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by behnamoh on Monday October 25, 2021 @03:15PM (#28991887)
Discussing UI is important too, esp. when it changes in a way that wastes users brain power.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by desktopninja on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:29AM (#28988923)
Android 7 to me was the best iteration.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by Scharkenberg on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:44AM (#28989114)
I think 7.1 was "peak Android as we knew it" - not as disorganized as pre-5.0 Android, not as tame as post-7.1 Android - but not necessarily the best experience for the most people (i.e. maximizing utility and satisfaction). In my view, 8.0 and onward have definitely had a simplification/"iOS"-ification of the interface and experience (with the perceived bonus of being less prone to breakage), but I don't see it as a net negative overall. Before that, Android was still visibly geared towards more technical users (compared to the average) and it is understandable that Google wanted to make it more approachable for the masses (remember, hand-me-down iPhones with their less complicated interface and experience were considered the best "grandma smartphones" by many people"). However, I do wish Google hadn't taken some design decisions that make no sense to me (for a recent example, see: Android 12 quick toggles).
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by Mikeb85 on Monday October 25, 2021 @02:07PM (#28991128)
Meh, just whinging on Reddit... Kind of like how Linux users bitch about everything that's new. If you asked the typical Linux 'power user' then we'd all be stuck on some archaic tiling WM. Yet most of us get along with Gnome Shell or something modern just fine. Android's fine, based on what I've seen of Android 12, looks like it'll be the best yet and I'll still use Android.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by NikolaeVarius on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:13AM (#28988712)
I dont really understand these massive design changes.

I seriously believe that at some point some of these things are done to keep designers employed. Do we really need all these designers to sit around making up reasons to be employed?

Holo was great, every single change since then has decreased information density, and simply make it harder to do things.

What is the wisdom in nesting a simple toggle under its own submenu? Its a goddamn toggle.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by kfprt on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:42PM (#28989947)
Ted Kaczynski noted that over time all large organizations trend towards self preservation projects.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by mhoad on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:52PM (#28990077)
Noted social commentator “the unabomber”.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by staticautomatic on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:55PM (#28990128)
Dude was extremely smart and observant. I get that it’s hard to see past the bombings, but they don’t exactly bear on the strength of his philosophical work.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by mhoad on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:57PM (#28990158)
I mean… we are talking about a UI update here.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by nyx_land on Monday October 25, 2021 @02:05PM (#28991101)
"Android 12 and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race" - Ted Kaczynski
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by JohnFen on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:11PM (#28993790)
Yeah, but that particular observation is neither new nor obscure. Surely a different source for a similar quote would have been better.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by dang on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:40PM (#28995816)
This observation was famously attributed to one of the classic sociologists - maybe Durkheim? The form I remember was: each institution's primary activity is to preserve itself, and only secondarily to pursue its nominal purpose. I'd love it if someone could track down the original quote. It definitely predates Kaczynski though, and we could probably do without the internet trope of bringing him up as a social theorist.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by CRConrad on Sunday October 31, 2021 @08:34PM (#29061893)
> each institution's primary activity is to preserve itself, and only secondarily to pursue its nominal purpose.

Sounds weird about institutions, but obvious about organisms. Substitute in "organisation" instead, and the parallel to organisms becomes clearer.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by nyxaiur on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:43AM (#28989098)
The word is contemporary you need to have a constant evolving product in todays market and design is one of the easiest way to achieve it.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by stemlord on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:24PM (#28989672)
>you need to have a constant evolving product in todays market

Isn't this a self-fulfilling prophecy? Only needed because everyone thinks it's needed. I bet at this point "our shit just works and we won't change it unless it breaks" would be an innovative strategy that even casual users could appreciate.

Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by wyre on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:46PM (#28990855)
It wouldn’t, or depends on the field. Apple would be a notable competitor and they do the “just works” and “innovation” better than most.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by JohnFen on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:13PM (#28993817)
The problem is that approach is actively hostile to customers.
Re:Android 12's design is offensive to the user by Factorium on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:51AM (#28989207)
Ugly design and lots of bugs. This has been a problem with Android for a long time. HTC (remember them!?) used to make a business out of fixing those problems - with the side-effect of just fragmenting the OS.

Bought a second-hand iPhone 6S in 2016 and never looked back.