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Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by joemi on Friday October 22, 2021 @02:32PM (#28960804)
If that's all it is, it's pretty damning of Google.

It'd be nice if they thought of the users they'd be affecting, but I guess in a way they are, in that they're upset they can't mine those users.

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by etempleton on Friday October 22, 2021 @05:04PM (#28962708)
Google denies that they made this request, but recently revealed emails indicate that they did make a request along those lines.

Regardless of this deal, Roku is almost certainly dead in the water. They have limited international penetration and their platform, if you can call it one, is extremely limited compared to Apple, Google, and even Amazon’s offerings and app stores.

I don’t see a path forward at this point for the company. They will continue to have a stream of ad revenue for awhile, but will slowly get squeezed out.

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by tyingq on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:04PM (#28963331)
They seem to be doing well in North America: https://9to5google.com/2021/05/03/roku-global-streaming-mark...
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by fgonzag on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:29PM (#28963556)
They have limited international penetration and their platform

Most cheap smart tvs come with roku OS. I wouldn't call that limited penetration.

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by etempleton on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:57PM (#28963774)
Most cheap smart TVs in North America.
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by nsn90 on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:10PM (#28965349)
also Latin America, where their value offer is strong
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by wmf on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:34PM (#28964116)
Roku is a meta-platform that includes Apple and Amazon and may even be taking a 30% cut of those.
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by commoner on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:56AM (#28965857)
I don't see any evidence that Roku is taking 30% of anything. Roku does not require users to use its own payment system for subscriptions of streaming services, including subscriptions initiated from within the channel.

Roku help page for Apple TV channel: https://support.roku.com/article/360036652634

> If you subscribe to any Apple TV Channels, payment will be charged to your Apple ID account at purchase.

Apple TV channel listing on Roku: https://channelstore.roku.com/details/a20e3c294993147c6cda43...

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by wmf on Saturday October 23, 2021 @06:13PM (#28972884)
You pay Apple then Apple pays Roku.

"brand-specific buttons on its remote controls... $1 per customer for each button ... Roku doesn’t pay anything to the channels it distributes, yet it still takes a share of their ad revenue. ... Roku executives will threaten to cancel a channel if its owner doesn’t give Roku a larger cut of ad sales" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-11/streaming...

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by EastOfTruth on Saturday October 23, 2021 @04:17AM (#28966636)
Do you work for Google, Apple or Amazon?
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by judge2020 on Friday October 22, 2021 @04:58PM (#28962648)
Both sides of the agreement are likely being deceptive in their statements. Google says they never asked for preferential treatment of search, nor access to user data[0], yet Roku says they did.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945280

also see[]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28945250

Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by black_puppydog on Friday October 22, 2021 @05:39PM (#28963087)
What you describe really only guarantees that at least one of the two is being deceptive.
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by TwiceCubed on Friday October 22, 2021 @05:50PM (#28963196)
"Both sides" meaning "both sides of Google's lying mouth".
Re:YouTube is about to pull its apps from Roku by rnd0 on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:06PM (#28963342)
Most likely but that doesn't exclude the possibility that Roku is dissembling as well.