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Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by tlholaday on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:35AM (#28944120)
moot (Chris Poole) Conjecture: bind anonymity to ephemerality for best results.

Consider ten seconds persistence limit. Like short-term memory for the spoken word.

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by crawsome on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:39AM (#28944173)
Yeah, Moot's legacy sure has been doing the world a lot of favors. You sure we should be referencing his logic?
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by polartx on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:44AM (#28944251)
I’d choose a world with his legacy over Zuck’s ten times out of ten.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by tlholaday on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:51AM (#28944350)
Yes, I am sure we should be referencing the logic of his proposal, and that we should consider that moot’s implementation of ephemerality on 4chan allowed too much persistence.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by HamburgerEmoji on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:45AM (#28944266)
4chan and the MSM are both despicable slime pits in their own ways, but 4chan is much more honest. If the corporate media decides some subject is taboo, or that some line of inquiry is banned in order to protect advertisers' profit, you'll still be able to find extremely strong signal about those topics on 4chan.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by md8z on Thursday October 21, 2021 @11:43AM (#28946128)
Anonymous sites like Blind and 4chan (and other semi-anonymous sites like Twitter and its clones) seem to have the same problem but in reverse, where everything is overloaded with negativity and creates that strong signal, even if it's unwarranted. There is a reason conspiracy theories, misinformation, racism, and other cynical rhetoric tend to spread so well on those sites. I think Twitter and Blind have improved their moderation recently... but 4chan seems to always be the same cesspool.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by lexapro on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:43AM (#28944238)
If anything, he has proven that it brings out the absolutely worst.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by swayvil on Thursday October 21, 2021 @10:21AM (#28944818)
The freedom to do the worst is also the freedom to do the best. That is an unavoidable universal law.

Look at instances where the conversation is forced to respect conventional values.

It's death. Conformity and moronic mob-politics becomes the norm. So norm that you forget that there was anything better. (Reddit and Facebook are 2 notorious cases of this.)

4chan is sharp and smart. And infantile and vile. And sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. Which is only proper.

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by lexapro on Thursday October 21, 2021 @11:14AM (#28945618)
>4chan is sharp and smart.

Well, it can be. But the main boards usually aren't. A lot of smart people have left the platform. What's left is mostly "bad" people who have nowhere else to go: nazis, child molesters, edgy teenagers and so on.

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by swayvil on Thursday October 21, 2021 @12:18PM (#28946725)
Sounds like you got offended there. It's a short hop with eyes-closed from "offended" to "moral condemnation".

Our greatest artists and thinkers have been condemned throughout history. Censored too. Consider that.

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by lexapro on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:00AM (#28955704)
Offended no, it's hard to take it that serious. But yes, I do disagree with blatant racism and child sexual abuse. And I don't think it's particularly witty or edgy even.

>Our greatest artists and thinkers have been condemned throughout history.

Our greatest artists and thinkers were typically not nazis or child molesters.

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by vangelis on Thursday October 21, 2021 @12:28PM (#28946903)
yeah, our greatest artists and thinkers aren't coming from /pol/. containment was a mistake. rest of the site is fine, if boorish.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by ipaddr on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:49AM (#28944332)
It allows for taboo topics which could be the worst if you subscribe society norms.

Remember if everyone was anonymous so would personal traits which forces judging on material and people not taking things personally because their real id isn't attach to this idea

Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by lexapro on Thursday October 21, 2021 @11:11AM (#28945590)
You mean like sharing child sexual abuse material and discussing how to start a race war? Yes, I subscribe to the norm that this is bad.
Re:Online abuse: banning anonymous social media accounts is ... by vangelis on Thursday October 21, 2021 @12:29PM (#28946917)
that doesn't require an end to anonymity, just decent moderation.