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Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:33PM (#28932721)
A chief tool used by industry to deceive was to cast doubt on independent science and scientists. A popular book on misuse of statistical methods, one that I'd read and liked myself, How to Lie With Statistics, turns out to have been part of that effort, as detailed by Tim Harford in his own book, How To Make The World Add Up

https://timharford.com/books/worldaddup/

The ultimate cautionary tale here is Darrell Huff’s 1954 classic, How to Lie With Statistics. Huff’s book is clever, insightful, and impish, and it may be the best-selling book about statistics ever written. It is also, from cover to cover, a warning that statistics are all about misinformation, and that one should no more believe in them than in stage magic. Huff ended up testifying at a Senate hearing that the evidence linking smoking and cancer was as spurious as the evidence linking storks and babies. His unpublished sequel, How to Lie With Smoking Statistics, was paid for by a tobacco-lobby group.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/the-conspi...

People are very well aware that the war over what is truth and real continues to be fought. And that it is not merely corporations engaged in it, as control over truth and perception is at the heart of power. "All warfare is based on deception."

https://suntzusaid.com/book/1/18/

As a hint, if one side has a long record of lies, and another a long record of honest relations and owning their errors --- the smart money takes counsel from the second. It's wise to assess one's own sources on this basis from time to time.

Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by Hokusai on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:54PM (#28932997)
Absolute certainty is impossible, that is not an argument to not act. Completely agree.
Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by jimbob45 on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:45PM (#28932876)
I don't really understand your argument. Are you trying to say that "How to Lie with Statistics" is wrong? That's an unbelievably bold assertion to make on an engineering-focused site where we regularly work with deceptive stats that the public eats up.
Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:10PM (#28933180)
It is deceptive and misleading with an intent to promote specific goals and agenda.

The salient characteristic of propaganda is not that it is (entirely) false. It is that it serves a specific interest and agenda rather than being a good-faith, best-effort attempt to convey truth.

It's a fundamental conflict in communications dating at least to Plato and the philosophers vs. the sophists.

Propaganda is most effective when it wraps its intended payload in an attractive, largely truthful message, and acts to nudge its intended targets in a direction they're inclined to go already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist

Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by TigeriusKirk on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:21PM (#28933303)
The primary rule of successful propaganda is "Don't lie about facts, control the interpretation."

False facts will get caught out. All you can do with an interpretation is argue about it.

Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:41PM (#28933545)
There are various methods. Control is one. The Big Lie another, direct attacks on trust and truth another. Sheer overlwhelming and distraction as well.
Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by nautilius on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:30PM (#28933404)
You sure? Have you read/watched any news since 2016?
Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by hallarempt on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:53PM (#28932981)
You don't? It's crystal clear to me: that book was paid for, as was its sequel, so industrialists could argue that statistics from independent researchers were not to be trusted. Whether or not the book was right or wrong is not part of that contention.
Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by bananabreakfast on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:58PM (#28933048)
Wait, are you trying to say it's not wrong?

It was specifically paid for and used to cast widespread doubt on smoking leading to lung cancer. It tried to convince people that "the science isn't settled" when the evidence was overwhelming.

It's an incredibly disingenuous and cynical piece of work that posits truth does not really exist b/c all "experts" are just lying to you with an agenda. Therefore, you can't ever really know the truth, therefore keep smoking.

Re:Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990 by cesaref on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:12PM (#28933213)
I think that's taking things a little too far. How I see it, Darrell Huff was a writer, not an academic, and he wrote a number of books over the years about all sorts of stuff.

I presume he got a bee in his bonnet about statistics at some point, and wrote his 'How to lie with Statistics' and because this became such a hit, it was assumed he know what he was talking about, and hence the interest from the cigarette manufacturers, the senate etc. This in fact was a mistake, and his credentials for appearing for the senate should have been checked.

So, the key take away from the book for me is that Statistics is hard, it's easy to confuse yourself or produce dubious results, but i'd look elsewhere for information about how to avoid pitfalls, and how to spot dubious conclusions beyond the most simplistic manipulation he points out.