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Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by dfdz on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:54AM (#28906838)
Amazon market cap 1.732T

Google market cap 1.89T

Microsoft market cap 2.289T

Cloudflare market cap 55.86B

Who do you expect to provide competition to Amazon/Google/Microsoft for egress pricing if not smaller company who is a "leading CDN provider" ?

Your comment seems to be justifying why Cloudflare is ideally suited to provide competition against the big 3 cloud providers with its R2 offering ...

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by johnday on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:57AM (#28906892)
Why would you think that a company's market cap (not only the relevant portion of the business, but the entire company) is a reasonable marker for how big of a player they are inside of this part of the industry?

Heck, market caps at this point are almost entirely untethered from reality. {cf. Tesla}

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by robocat on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:34PM (#28908151)
Market cap is a reasonable proxy measure for how much money those companies can bring to bear to win the market (especially if losses[1]), should those companies decide that competing is a number one priority. Two examples from Microsoft: XBox (worked) and Windows Phone (failed).

Revenues or profits in the cloud market for each company are mostly a measure of how much they are winning. How much they are spending is a measure of how much they are trying to compete, and the amount they can spend is also dependent on profits in other areas of their respective business.

> Heck, market caps at this point are almost entirely untethered from reality

Most stocks have some basis in reality, and relative value still matters even if you think the whole market is in Lala land. The stocks mentioned are not diamondhand stocks. Variation in valuation is not hitting two orders of magnitude, which is what we have here.

A better measure might be some gross profitability figure for each company that measures how much each company can pump into competing (expenses), but that is hard to calculate, especially for Amazon.

[1] Google Cloud Losses Shrink 59%, Revenue Hits $4.6B https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/google-cloud-losses...

Edited: added second paragraphs.

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by ant6n on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:14PM (#28907906)
It seems cloudflare makes about 500M in revenue. So their price/revenue is like 100, ouch. The market seems to believe cloudflare will do very well.
Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by thefounder on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:16PM (#28907938)
Market cap. has little meaning nowadays especially in tech. It's just a pumped-up number. You could talk about revenue but that's a different discussion.
Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by dfdz on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:43PM (#28910583)
Revenue for 2020:

Amazon 386B USD

Google 183B USD

Microsoft 143B USD

Cloudflare 431M USD

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