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Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by grandpoobah on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:50AM (#28862628)
Was going to post the same thing (albeit far more poorly explained).

Isn't Microsoft embarrassed about this? This has been an issue for my last two laptops over the last 5 years. How is it acceptable for this problem to still exist?

My Lenovo supports S3 sleep, but I didn't discover it until probably a year into having bought it, so at that point my battery's ability to hold charge had already been sufficiently degraded, to the point where I'm having to charge this thing every day when I'm mostly only using it for basic web browsing.

I will never buy another Windows laptop, and if Visual Studio ran on Mac I'd probably switch my PC out also. I'm not a mac guy, I find MacOS fairly unintuitive, and really hate the placement of the Ctrl key, but at this point it's clear that Apple's model better lends itself to quality, and I'm sick of all the broken crap that is deemed acceptable in the Windows world.

As I was typing this, a great example of said broken crap, is Lenovo popping up a MessageBox asking me to reboot to update my firmware. Didn't software developers all agree well over a decade ago that windows stealing focus was not a good thing? So why then is a top of the line brand in the PC world writing shit like this?

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:57AM (#28886719)
Your battery is likely worn from keeping it charged at 100% constantly, lenovo have an option to limit max charge to something like 80% which will greatly reduce battery wear, you just have to turn it off if you are actually planning to run it without AC for as long as possible.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by Frost1x on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:51AM (#28887887)
This is really a poor software solution to an old hardware solution that disappeared for the sake of thinness: removable batteries. In the past with easily removable battery packs you could simply pop them out once they're fully charged and pop them in when you wanted to make sure they were charged up. When manufacturers started touting long life cycle batteries to justify internalizing them and making them difficult to replace and impossible to quickly pop out, software manufacturers added this in to attempt or extend battery life.

Before, I simply removed my battery when plugged in all day and significantly extended my battery life. If I needed it, it was mostly charged. It would of course dissipate over time so if I had any plans of using my laptop in an actual mobile fashion or wanted to move my laptop from one long term power source to the next, I'd pop it in, make the move and pop it back out. I of course lost the UPS feature having a laptop with a battery pack also served but I could assess when I thought my power source was/wasn't stable and pop the battery in under those conditions (not very often).

Most people I know use laptops as portable workstations. If you frequently operate in situations where you desire battery alone then the OS charge management works quite well. I don't and most people I know don't. In today's world, mos the use cases I operate under those conditions are better served by my smartphone.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by sgc on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:37AM (#28888170)
They should just install a physical off switch for the battery, along with physical switches for the camera and networking.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by shawnz on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:22AM (#28888482)
What's wrong with the current solution of having a software switch, aside from lack of use/knowledge about it? What's the advantage to making it physical?
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by krapp on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:24AM (#28888495)
Software switches can be controlled remotely without your knowledge. A physical switch requires physical access to the device.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by shawnz on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:25AM (#28888499)
I am just talking about the battery. I don't see any privacy issue there.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by sgc on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:43PM (#28892237)
Sometimes you really need to make sure there is no power flowing through your device, which you can't be sure of using software when you are trying to fix software problems. Of course I should have said recording devices and networking, rather than just cameras.

Also, true power off guarantees nobody is remotely activating eavesdropping on your device.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:33PM (#28892900)
Lenovo have a battery disconnect bios option specifically for doing service work.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by krapp on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:31AM (#28888536)
Maybe the concern there is devices appearing to be turned off but really still running in low power mode? The only way to be sure is to physically interrupt the power supply.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by 8note on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:56PM (#28890916)
The people writing the software have a vested interest in your battery wearing out so you have to buy a new laptop
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:36AM (#28888573)
Or externalize the camera and networking modules, so that one can pop them in and out like a battery. Yes.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by trashcat on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:30PM (#28890185)
This is why I still use my Thinkpad W520. If I don't need the battery I just take it out until I need it. I hate that we got rid of removable batteries in basically all devices.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by MaxikCZ on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:24AM (#28886836)
My HP G8 zBook Power have this feature as well, but its only accessible through bios. Luckily their BiosConfigUtility64.exe allows changing bios variables from windows, and the change takes effect immediately. My two .bats for 80 and 100% charging limits.

C:\Programs\SP107705\BIOSConfigUtility64.exe /setvalue:"Battery Health Manager","Maximize my battery health"

C:\Programs\SP107705\BIOSConfigUtility64.exe /setvalue:"Battery Health Manager","Let HP manage my battery charging"

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by hutzlibu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:00AM (#28887243)
Most batteries on laptops are worn out by heat. They really do not like heat, but will take lots of it, when placed and used in unfavorable conditions, which most laptops probably are.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by 8note on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:56PM (#28890921)
My laptop only heats up in sleep mode, unfortunately.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:37AM (#28888587)
Heat mostly matters when charging or discharging rapidly, if wear is concerned. So might be less significant than you'd think.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by hutzlibu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:30PM (#28888999)
Well, I have a gaming laptop I bought quite new, but second hand, that was almost never used without cabel (I saw the formerly setup) - and the batterie was allmost dead and blown up in size after some months of use. But since it is a gaming laptop - it generated massive amounts of heat under load. I bought a new battery and took care of the heat: and it is still quite good, after roughly the same time and amount of use and I do charge till 100%.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Sunday October 17, 2021 @04:17AM (#28894832)
Throttling of CPU and GPU should surely account for 90% of what you describe, coupled with an old, uncycled battery that can't move ions no more.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by flyinghamster on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:56AM (#28886992)
My two-year-old Dell Inspiron also has a BIOS option for a "Mostly on AC power" charging profile. I'll still give the power cord a yank every now and then and let it run on battery for a while.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by iamtheworstdev on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:08AM (#28887037)
dell has had this feature since i was in college twenty years ago.. it's such a great one
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by noisy_boy on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:25AM (#28888095)
I set it via tlp[0]:

    sudo tlp setcharge $start_precent $stop_percent BAT0
[0]: https://linrunner.de/tlp/
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by motoboi on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:19PM (#28890082)
His battery is likely worn by recharging cycles. As the computer is being discharged more often.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:43PM (#28892965)
Nope, its from charging to 100% constantly which accelerates wear massively.

I've had my Lenovo carbon x1 for a few years set to 80% max charge and its battery life is still good.

Battery stats report 480 charging cycles, capacity has dropped only 8 percent from rated.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by motoboi on Sunday October 17, 2021 @06:21AM (#28895356)
It’s not charging to 100% that wears batteries out. It’s storage at 100% that does that.

If you charge to 50% and keep it there, it basically last years.

If you use your notebook primarily on AC, battery is charged and kept on “storage” until you unplug from AC. Over the years, this is equivalent to a battery stored on a box.

So, time stored on a box with 50% is better than 80%, which is also better than 100%.

But. If your notebook is used primarily unplugged from AC, that 100% is better than 80%, because you’ll have fewer deeper discharges.

Deep discharges is what form dentrites. Dentrities is what kill lithium batteries.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Sunday October 17, 2021 @10:21AM (#28896654)
> If you use your notebook primarily on AC, battery is charged and kept on “storage” until you unplug from AC. Over the years, this is equivalent to a battery stored on a box.

I'm not sure what you mean, by default most laptops will charge to 100% and keep trickle charging it to that level consistently while on AC.

Setting a charge max of 40% would be ideal, but there is point where you want to maintain some level of runtime when removed from AC, so 80% is a reasonable compromise.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by IncRnd on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:53PM (#28889224)
It is terrible to limit max battery charge, so max battery charge doesn't decline!!!
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Sunday October 17, 2021 @02:35AM (#28894446)
Its akin to not driving your car in the redline constantly - sure you can do it, but its going to reduce engine life.

Its the same with batteries, you keep them at 100% constantly they will wear out. Its just a limitation of the technology.

Some devices now try and use "machine learning" to determine max charge, for example iphones will maintain a medium charge throughout the night then do a final top up charge to reach 100% just before you wake up.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by IncRnd on Sunday October 17, 2021 @07:14AM (#28895609)
> Its akin to not driving your car in the redline constantly - sure you can do it, but its going to reduce engine life.

Yes, of course. That's not the issue, though.

> Some devices now try and use "machine learning" to determine max charge, for example iphones will maintain a medium charge throughout the night then do a final top up charge to reach 100% just before you wake up.

That's different and even opposite from advertising X max charge and only delivering 80% of X as the max charge. What I referred to is a bait and switch, where the manufacturer advertises one thing but provides another. Your example justification, however, is not a bait and switch but aligns the technical MVPs and marketing promises.

The situation is similar to purchasing a fridge that only operates at 80%. All food spoils more quickly, but the fridge lasts longer. If that had been disclosed, instead of the opposite implication from the marketing, then consumers would have almsot certainly made different purchasing decisions. That is why these sorts of things are generally illegal.

In your car example, if a car is advertised with 400 HP but never goes above 320 HP, that's called false advertising. Sure, the engine can get to 400 HP tested on a bench, but that's not why the car was purchased.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nikau on Sunday October 17, 2021 @10:25AM (#28896686)
Right, so what vendors are doing now is calling batteries consumables that last one, maybe two years with the default 100% charging limit to get max run time on battery.

Consumers can either accept this and pay for a new battery every few years, or if they want they can limit to 80% and get way longer life battery life if they can live with the reduced runtime.

I'm not aware of any vendors claiming x capacity battery with mandatory limiting charging to 80% of x, rather its an option you have the choice to explicitly enable.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by orangecat on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:44PM (#28890306)
Isn't Microsoft embarrassed about this?

Yeah, I was astounded when I recently found out about the "modern standby" idiocy. I've almost always used Mac laptops, but I just assumed that at some point in the last 20 years the PC world would figure out reliable sleep. And it seems like they mostly did, and then Microsoft broke it for no good reason?

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by jabroni_salad on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:51AM (#28887884)
I actually just want them to fix connected standby and properly be able to do these things with low power.

My phone (a oneplus 6) can be on standby for nearly a week. That windows laptops attempt at this mode drains the battery by the end of a workday is just pathetic. Instant resume should be available with no practical compromises.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by spicybright on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:37PM (#28889652)
That is seriously bad.

Just as a data point, my 2019 mac sleeps perfectly for multiple days, no problem.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by Godel_unicode on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:26PM (#28890675)
My 2019 Razer Blade does the same.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by t_von_doom on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:13AM (#28887310)
As a Mac user with the same gripe of the ctrl key placement: Remapping it to the caps lock works wonders :)
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by browningstreet on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:23AM (#28888072)
I use so many keyboards, not all of which are under my control.. I wish I could, but it would bring chaos to my typing world.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by loonster on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:01AM (#28888319)
Something like that exists for DVORAK. Maybe someone else makes a similar product that works like an any keyboard.

https://www.keyghost.com/qido/

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by selfup on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:17PM (#28889445)
You can set this in the OS itself.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by manquer on Sunday October 17, 2021 @03:41PM (#28899149)
Wouldn't you need root/admin access for that ?
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by pw6hv on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:50PM (#28889809)
> As I was typing this, a great example of said broken crap, is Lenovo popping up a MessageBox asking me to reboot to update my firmware. Didn't software developers all agree well over a decade ago that windows stealing focus was not a good thing? So why then is a top of the line brand in the PC world writing shit like this?

Don't think that MacOS spares you about that either. Update notifications are equally distracting.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by finalfire on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:47PM (#28890324)
> Don't think that MacOS spares you about that either. Update notifications are equally distracting.

You're right but if I recall correctly notifications do not steal the focus.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by throwawayboise on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:32PM (#28890724)
> why then is a top of the line brand in the PC world writing shit like this

"It's OK when we do it"

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by tshaddox on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:57PM (#28889267)
My bet is that Microsoft and Windows laptop manufacturers aren’t embarrassed by this because approximately no one uses their laptop as a portable device. The laptops just sit on the desk charging 99.9% of the time. People use their smartphones the rest of the time.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by klodolph on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:49PM (#28889800)
Really? Maybe in 2020 or 2021, but not in 2019. My work laptop got dragged to meetings and gets taken on flights to remote offices. My personal laptop gets used in every room of the house.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by r00fus on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:47PM (#28889775)
Most companies issue laptops instead of desktops.

While commuting back and forth to work those are definitely asleep in a bag/briefcase.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by devwastaken on Sunday October 17, 2021 @01:47AM (#28894273)
Microsoft released windows 11, so, no, they have no shame. Microsoft is a company without leadership, without direction, and without a central vision. The only feature of windows that people like, is that it continues to run the software they need. Other than that the OS itself gets in the way, stops your workflow, and makes your life harder. And the only other commercial alternative is just as bad in other ways. The natural result of letting the computer marker be controlled by a few big players.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by dustinmoris on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:19AM (#28886809)
JetBrains Rider. If you care about quality, don't bother with Visual Studio at all.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by pico303 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:58PM (#28890932)
Or CLion, if you’re doing C++ or Rust development
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by seanw444 on Sunday October 17, 2021 @12:21PM (#28897548)
Battery drain a problem? Join the Framework laptop movement. Mac bothers you slightly less than Windows does (and costs more for the same hardware)? Make the jump to Ubuntu and dip your leg into desktop Linux. If you're inseparable from Visual Studio, I'd think Wine could handle it.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by JadeNB on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:50AM (#28888682)
> really hate the placement of the Ctrl key

Macs used to be really customiseable, and they haven't got around to ripping all of that out yet.

System Preferences > Keyboard > Modifier Keys

You can control how the various keys behave.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by allwein on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:58AM (#28876799)
> and if Visual Studio ran on Mac I'd probably switch my PC out also

Not sure if it supports all the features you need, but it exists.

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/mac/

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by glenarma on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:48AM (#28886471)
That’s just a rebranded Xamarin IDE - but for .NET development on Mac, I’ve found JetBrains Rider does most of what the full Visual Studio package does
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by hoistbypetard on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:28PM (#28891721)
I like Rider better even on Windows. My favorite thing about Visual Studio on Windows was always the debugger, and I think Clion and Rider have lapped them there in the past two years.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by beermonster on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:40AM (#28886927)
Yes it's just Xamarin modified to look like a native Visual Studio for Mac.

Much better off using Rider (also works nicely on Linux).

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by ddek on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:51AM (#28886968)
IntelliJ is still a little broken on wayland I think. Last I checked they were waiting on a patch to Swing, so right now it's only running under XWayland, it's fairly buggy and doesn't scale nicely. You also need to set some env variables or you'll get a blank screen. It still works pretty well though, which is better than any other similar IDE.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by ziml77 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:04PM (#28892738)
Seconding Rider if you're on macOS. It shares its analysis code with ReSharper, so it's extremely featureful. In fact, it's usually faster than VS + ReSharper because it isn't running two code analysis engines at once and it doesn't have to run the analysis out-of-process.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by can16358p on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:08AM (#28886765)
Note that if OP expects anything like the "real" Visual Studio that runs on Windows, this is really nothing compared to it. I'd even go further and actually prefer Vscode with the right extensions compared to this "Visual Studio".
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by 867-5309 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:32AM (#28887386)
sounds like when we try to run iTunes on Windows - each competitor is intentionally crapping on the other's users
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by my123 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:06AM (#28888358)
Don't worry, the Music app on macOS is just as bad as iTunes on Windows...
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by ziml77 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:58PM (#28892705)
It's more that Visual Studio is a massive project that was built around running on Windows. It would be a huge undertaking to bring it over to another OS and probably not add nearly enough value. The only reason macOS has "Visual Studio" at all is because Microsoft bought out Xamarin and rebranded their Xamarin Studio product.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by can16358p on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:47PM (#28893517)
Yup it would just not be worth it to bring real VS to macOS. Then why decrease its brand value by marketing a crappy product like Xamarin (which I think has always been bad, and I honestly don't know why MS bothered to buy it) as if it was VS? Just call it Xamarin, or VS "lite", or anything, but not VS as it is not VS.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by ziml77 on Sunday October 17, 2021 @01:21AM (#28894164)
Consistent branding. Visual Studio is the name they're using for all their code editing software. I don't think it's a good idea given the confusion it causes when people talk about the various programs, but they are distinctly named Visual Studio, Visual Studio Code, and Visual Studio for Mac.

Microsoft has never been good at naming things. They made that mess of Windows naming at multiple points and they are still making a mess with the Xbox brand.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by Lamad123 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:03AM (#28888329)
iTunes is crappy in Macs, too!!
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by derefr on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:04PM (#28888807)
> Isn’t Microsoft embarrassed about this?

Do Microsoft Surface devices have this problem (the heat/fans spinning/high battery drain while sleeping, I mean)? If not, then Microsoft has no need to be embarrassed; it’s the rest of the PC laptop industry that should be embarrassed for not shipping hardware that does the right thing when the OS asks it to.

(Though, I mean, the rest of the PC industry should already be embarrassed, for still shipping new PCs in 2021 that don’t have Thunderbolt/USB4 ports, and desktop PCs that don’t even have a single USB-C port.)

There’s also the fact that Microsoft is (perhaps by accident of fate) “building for the future”; a lot of Windows 11’s assumptions in particular make sense given hardware and CPU steppings in mind that should have shipped a year ago, but which are caught in the COVID logistical conga-line and so won’t be seen for another year. That includes e.g. Intel CPUs with ARM-like big/LITTLE designs.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by darzu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:34PM (#28889035)
Yes, Surface devices have this problem. It was a frequent occurrence for me to put my Surface Book into my bag and later take it out completely dead or hot and drained.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by spicybright on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:36PM (#28889641)
Wouldn't put all the blame on hardware. It's a back and forth sometimes to get the OS and hardware working together.

It's not a 50/50 responsibility split, but it's definitely not 100% on hardware.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by zeckalpha on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:06PM (#28891007)
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by carlhjerpe on Sunday October 17, 2021 @07:00AM (#28895535)
Isn't this the MonoDevelop/Xamarin Studio version of VS?
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by eatbitseveryday on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:55PM (#28892688)
> Visual Studio ran on Mac

Visual Studio Code does. Is that the same?

Even has native M1 support.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by pxc on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:47PM (#28892981)
It's not the same at all. Visual Studio is an IDE (like Eclipse) and Visual Studio Code is an extensible text editor (like Emacs).

It is pretty good though. It's enjoying a big surge in popularity lately and seems to deserve it.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by LindyTalker on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:44AM (#28887827)
Visual studio running on Mac? I’ve been using visual studio code on it for years no problem. I’m now realizing there’s a difference between the two. Care to explain a little more why you use VS and not VSC?
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mkr-hn on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:57AM (#28887920)
Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code are completely different things. VSC can do a subset of what VS can do, but some people really need the full power of a traditional IDE. VS vs VSC is like the difference between a smartphone camera and a full camera platform. You can rig up an iPhone (VSC) to do everything a D6 (VS) can do, but it won't be as usable.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by esclerofilo on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:58AM (#28888295)
But Visual Studio 2019 is available for mac.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by my123 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:05AM (#28888346)
It shares some code nowadays (started with a MonoDevelop codebase). However, Visual Studio (not Code) for Mac is mostly targeted at at C# or mobile development.

If you want to make Windows apps, it just doesn't support that scenario.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by vips7L on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:06AM (#28888360)
And they just announced they’re rewriting it to native for Mac in 2022…
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by tentacleuno on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:44AM (#28887179)
> if Visual Studio ran on Mac

It is! What do you mean? :)

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by sk0g on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:00AM (#28887241)
The Mac version of Visual Studio is closer to a fork of MonoDevelop than mainline VS. Rider is a better experience than either though, IMO.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nyxaiur on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:19AM (#28887683)
The implementation of the none S3 sleep on most windows laptops these days is not microsofts fault. Critical updates (firmware) always have priority and even on mac's you get negging pop-ups for updates all the time. That said you can fix everything what you said with one checkbox. It's not the pc which sucks it's you the user.

For all the people downvoting. He is the equivalent of people making "screenshots" with their mobile phone instead of using printscrn. I bet you are complaining about your own users all the time and here you defend someone who can't even be bothered to look at the options he has. smh

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:38PM (#28889086)
The complaint was not that the firmware notification existed or was urgent, but that it stole input focus.