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Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by JanSolo on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:53PM (#28855910)
Yes; very good point. Although Blue Origin has done an excellent job so far, it's important to remember that space travel is very dangerous and eventually there will be an accident and people will likely die. It's not an 'if' but a 'when'.
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by bobthepanda on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:05PM (#28858664)
My favorite what-if version of this is that Big Bird was almost on the Challenger. https://www.history.com/news/big-bird-challenger-disaster-na...

Quite frankly, I don't know if NASA would still exist if they managed to off one of the most popular children's show characters around.

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by golemotron on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:56PM (#28855958)
s/space travel/cars/
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by dmitriid on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:00PM (#28856912)
Space travel is magnitudes of magnitudes deadlier than cars. A large chunk of astronaut training is basically "you're dead in 5 seconds, your actions".

Read "An Astronaut's Guide to Living on Earth"

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by JanSolo on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:21PM (#28857185)
According to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_ac...

The current statistical fatality rate for astronauts and cosmonauts is 3.2 percent. Lets give Blue Origin the benefit of newer tech and learning from previous mistakes and say they're twice as safe as any other spacecraft. That's still a 1.6% chance you'll die taking a flight in it.

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by midasuni on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @06:03PM (#28858226)
Except blue origin isnt in the same order of magnitude as Gemini, Soyuz, Dragon, etc.

How many people have died in suborbital rockets with low apogees and barely any down range movements?

Numbers just aren’t there to reasonably draw any conclusions

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by jeffwass on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:38PM (#28858868)
> How many people have died in suborbital rockets with low apogees and barely any down range movements?

The three astronauts of Apollo 1.

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by midasuni on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:47AM (#28860890)
That was a ground fire of an orbital vehicle
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by jeffwass on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:21AM (#28861436)
The rocket itself was clearly suborbital at the time.
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by amelius on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:59PM (#28857654)
Does that rate also hold for flights using the same model or even the same vehicle as tested in previous flights? Shouldn't testing bring the rate down?
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by Natsu on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @05:22PM (#28857885)
You know that the pandemic has been going on too long when my first thought was "oh, that's about as (un)safe as getting Covid" :(
Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by BurningFrog on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:34PM (#28858832)
Then again, NO ONE has died during space travel since 2003.

As any tech matures, it becomes safer. Early flying was a death circus. Now it's the safest way to travel of all.

It's hard to say where on the "getting safer curve" space travel is with so few data points. But it just might be pretty good. Time will tell!

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by Rebelgecko on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @06:45PM (#28858519)
Sure, but the average car trip doesn't span millions of miles and last for months. If you compare deaths per passenger-mile, space travel is safer than cars (but more dangerous than airplanes).

Because Shatt's space trip was relatively short and quick, he's fairly safe if you extrapolate from the statistics. Of course that extrapolation might not be reasonable for various reasons:

* There's only been one deadly space incident in the last 30 years, so we don't have a very good sample size

* Not all passenger-miles are equally dangerous. Leaving and returning Earth are the most dangerous parts of space travel. However by not going to orbit, Shatt didn't have to leave Earth as quickly, nor did he have worry as much about a speedy reentry.

* Most of those passenger-miles were done on vehicles that have a launch heritage than New Shepard

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by bobthepanda on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @08:00PM (#28859002)
Per mile biases in favor of high speeds though.

It would be interesting to do a comparison of deaths / travel time. Challenger exploded 73 seconds into flight.

Re:The Overview Effect – William Shatner's Words After Retur... by pirate787 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @08:47PM (#28859318)
> * There's only been one deadly space incident in the last 30 years, so we don't have a very good sample size

The Shuttle program lost 2 out of 135 flights over its 30 year life.