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Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by lmm on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:45AM (#28836147)
> Europe only has good public transport in very few selected cities and you have to ignore strikes in France to pretend its working well and is reliable.

It's working well and reliable enough.

> The city with the best public transport in the world is probably Tokyo in terms of frequency and service reliability but it is constantly over capacity and things are not getting better.

Things absolutely are getting better; crowding is better than it was. A healthy growing city will always have some capacity issues at any given time, but that's the same as anything.

> so no commute is certainly better pretty much just anywhere.

Not at all proven. Most people choose not to live right next to their workplace even when that's an option. 15-30 minutes' separation is helpful IMO. Even if I'm not commuting, it takes me that long to get my head out of "work mode", and having my home be my workplace makes that worse. "You don't take your work home with you" was always something I looked for in job applications.

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by GoOnThenDoTell on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:23AM (#28836658)
Not everyone wants to move every time they get a new job, or every time their spouse gets a new job
Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by Aeolun on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @08:59AM (#28839087)
I live somewhere in central Tokyo, and as long as I’m fine with a max 1hr commute I can reach pretty much anywhere else in central Tokyo (which is where the jobs are).
Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by ekianjo on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:07AM (#28860709)
Not everyone can afford to live in central Tokyo. 2 hours commutes are not uncommon.
Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by lmm on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @04:07AM (#28837276)
What point are you making?
Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by hadlock on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:12AM (#28837677)
If your job is on the red line, and your house is on the red line, it's an easy commute, maybe 20 minutes. Calm, relaxing, easy to zone out.

If you change jobs, the new office might be on the purple line. Which does not cross the red line. So now you need to take the red line, to the green line (15 minutes + 10 minute layover = 25 minutes), and then change trains again to get to the purple line (15 minutes). That's assuming there are no delays, weather, construction/remodeling at any of the stations. If your morning coffee takes too long you might miss your connection, and now you've blown out your schedule by another 15-20 minutes, especially if part of your commute takes one of the less-frequent suburban lines.

End result is your 20 minute commute to your old office, has turned into a 40+ minute commute one way, assuming no delays. On a good day. Plus walking to and from the station.

My old office used to be on Castro Street in Mountain View, a 5 minute walk from the Caltrain Station. Then they leased a large building in the warehouse district, a 20 minute walk away. My old train commute + walk was almost exactly 1 hour from San Francisco; with the new office relocation it turned into 1 hour 15 minutes each way, which meant when I got home in the evening, the tram I wanted to take home had already stopped running, meaning either walk 45 minutes, or take a $9 (probably $15 in today's economy) uber home.

What point was he making? Well, switch jobs, and just move closer to your new office! Easy! Just never buy a house and only switch jobs at the end of your lease term, and rent forever.

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @08:11AM (#28838740)
>Easy! Just never buy a house and only switch jobs at the end of your lease term, and rent forever.

Sounds precariously close to "you'll own nothing and be happy" or something along those lines.

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by lmm on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:54AM (#28837923)
Agree that you want to be living somewhere with enough employers within tolerable commute range, and obviously it's hard to compete with access to the whole world. I don't find a single change to be beyond the pale (maybe I would if it was a 10 minute wait), and I find that in dense cities with decent networks you can be in range of "enough" employers, but YMMV.
Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by ekianjo on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:07AM (#28860716)
> It's working well and reliable enough.

Clean, blanket statement, what a good argument to make! based on what metrics exactly?

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by pjmlp on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @04:50AM (#28837518)
> It's working well and reliable enough.

For whom?

Around this German state, a 30 minute drive turns into 2 hours commute into each direction if I go with public transport.

And this is one of the places with best connections.

Back home in Portugal, and many other southern countries, good luck with the bus connections that only come around once per hour, and better not skip the 2nd connecting bus/train.

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by raverbashing on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:51AM (#28837905)
Well, there are always exceptions, you can always find a place that's 10min by bus and the place that's 2h by bus but 30min by bike

It depends. Though German public transport is one of the best in Europe.

Re:Amazon will allow many employees to work remotely indefin... by pjmlp on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @06:59AM (#28838255)
It is one of the best if you are lucky enough to live close to one of the big city centers.

There are tons of places where car is the only option, or after 8pm there are no running public transports (you are supposed to stay home, I guess).