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Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by filmgirlcw on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:09PM (#28832463)
You should apply for senior dev roles. I’m not saying lateral career moves are always bad (and sometimes that’s all that is possible), but I always look at a next job as a way to level up. Even if I don’t fit the requirements right then and there, I have the confidence I can do the role. Obviously, you shouldn’t level skip - meaning apply for something two levels higher than where you are at (unless you are supremely confident in your abilities or are going to a smaller company where that sort of thing makes sense) — but going from intermediate to senior is what makes sense. When hiring a senior dev, I’m not looking for someone with a decade of senior experience because that person is probably overqualified or will want to be quickly promoted to principal/staff . I want someone who can fill in the role well for a long time, which means someone who is intermediate but has stepped up to do senior work when asked, is the right move.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:40PM (#28833431)
My problem is that all the tech I built experience with is obscure (Neoxam, FileNet). That's obviously in addition to my lack of faith in the system and being treated fairly.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by conductr on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:50PM (#28834003)
Sorry just reading along and felt a need to point out that it seems you’re likely being your own biggest obstacle, more so than “the system”. Systems are meant to be hacked.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by filmgirlcw on Monday October 11, 2021 @07:48PM (#28834394)
Exactly. You can always come up with excuses for why something isn’t going to work out, but if you want to change your circumstances, you have to at least try. You might still fail, but you have to try.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:08PM (#28834853)
Oh, I've tried - multiple times. The people/companies that make the rules don't have to follow them. If you repeatedly beat a dog, do you expect it to be friendly or do you expect it to cower in the corner hoping it doesn't get beaten again?
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:06PM (#28834839)
If the company ignores their own policies repeatedly to my detriment, then I fail to see how I'm the obstacle. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is insanity - I've simply been conditioned to expect the company to screw me over.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by paulcole on Monday October 11, 2021 @08:57PM (#28834774)
Check out Mindset by Carol Dweck. You’ll either think it’s total nonsense and will quickly forget about it or you’ll be inspired by it to put some of the principles into action.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:09PM (#28834869)
I haven't read that one. But what I know about mindset is that it can help you frame your experience, and that can maybe even be leveraged into behavior changes that can help someone. But it won't help change restrictions imposed by others.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by paulcole on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:22PM (#28834976)
To summarize the book, people with a growth mindset rarely ascribe their circumstances on restrictions imposed by others and instead focus on changes they can make. Those with a fixed mindset avoid changing themselves because they believe much of their life is determined by things outside their control.

It’s like a spectrum where few people are fully one or the other. And some people are “fixed” in one part of their life and “growth” in others. Virtually everyone has both traits and must work to find opportunities to be more growth-oriented — assuming of course, that’s something they really want to be.

Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by ericd on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:17AM (#28835986)
You can change how you react to restrictions imposed by others. Many restrictions aren't as solid as you may be assuming. For example, you say that "you're not allowed to leave Philly", but many people don't even live in the same country as their families, in an effort to make more money and offer them a better standard of living. A less extreme version of that is living in a different city for some period and commuting home on weekends. And that should generally be a negotiation, not a diktat.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:41PM (#28841841)
Those negotiations are off the table. Living apart is also something I'm not allowed to do.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by ericd on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:53PM (#28847713)
You've decided you don't want to. And that's fine. But it's ultimately your decision.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:50PM (#28856740)
It's not that I don't want to do those things. It's that I don't want to be divorced even more.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by paulcole on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @03:37PM (#28844087)
What is on the table then? If that is unchangeable, what is in your control when it comes to a new job?
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by giantg2 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:51PM (#28856754)
I've posted to some internal and external jobs. That's about it.
Re:My first industry job: lies, deceptions, and layoffs by paulcole on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:54PM (#28858966)
If your end goal is a new and better job, what’s a step you can take (that you haven’t taken yet) to make it happen?