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Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by sofixa on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:08AM (#28824877)
As I've pointed out a few times here, people should really continue and not just stop with Econ 101 and think they know everything. Economies are extremely complex, and studying them starts with dumbing them down to rough basics to get an idea of how things work, and then build on top of that.

Furthermore, nobody should forget that the subject of such policies is people. Not just numbers on a spreadsheet going up or down, but real life people who could need to eat, might have children to take care of, need a roof over their heads etc.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by b9a2cab5 on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:59AM (#28825204)
When you focus on "people" you get emotionally driven policies without any planning for long term consequences. See: Prop 13. If you want to do what's best for the people, as a population, long term, you need to do what's best for the economy. That means you need to view them as numbers.

It is quite obvious if you take a look at any online crypto/stock trading forum that a lot of those extra stimulus checks are not going towards anything useful. We know from basic economics which you seem to think is invalid that increasing the money supply (through deficit spending on stimulus checks) and money velocity (by giving it to consumers directly instead of through e.g. increasing the supply of credit) increases inflation. We're also seeing record demand for consumer goods like PS5s, electronics, etc. Those happen to be the same products that consumers with excess money buy. Not food, because they can already afford food without the stimulus checks.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by Fckd on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:17AM (#28836628)
if you havent noticed, all economic crises were created by elite economicts
Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by ganzuul on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:40AM (#28825080)
Money is both the metric and the target. You know what that does so take everything economists say with a giant pinch of salt, as the complexity in question is entirely artificial and self-service oriented.
Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by silisili on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:13AM (#28824917)
1) I'm not against people making more money. I'm definitely for it. I'm against a COVID check I keep getting and don't need, just because I'm married and my coworker is not.

2) I definitely don't think I know everything, or anything really.

3) When a very basic idiom taught in entry level economics proves true again and again, I'm not sure how much complexity is required to prove it false. At that point it just feels like fighting for the point of fighting.

I don't want to debate goods and bads, economic complexities, etc. I am just stating what is taught in entry level classes appears to be correct.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by soylentnewsorg on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:37AM (#28825065)
But there's nothing complex here. You are wrong on a very simple econ101 type level.

The covid check was economic stimulus. Like what Bush W did for example. It literally stimulates the economy every time, because for every one of you and me who don't need it and save it, by investing it in companies via mutual funds, there are people who immediately spend it on things like food, also giving money to companies.

Now here's what happens when you don't give money to companies: they have to take loans with interest. That interest is later paid by customers via increased prices, because the supply side cost is now higher.

Companies also go out of business w/o money. You now have less supply, for inelastic demand (because it's food). This increases prices.

So, econ101: prices went up. Because supply chains were affected by the pandemic, and when supply cost goes up, you pay more. If you didn't have the stimulus checks, they would have gone up more. Much more.

Paying attention in econ101 helps know this. What you missed by not paying attention, is they were referring to printing money and Not giving it to people. Like the government having to fund itself, or the king funding himself. A stimulus check is trickle up economics, and Lowers prices. So econ101 taught us the opposite of your takeaway from that class. That class was of course called microeconomics, not econ101.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by silisili on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:40AM (#28825086)
I promised myself I wouldn't reply further as I really don't want to debate anything. But this comment is so nonsensical I have to let you know that.

> A stimulus check is trickle up economics, and Lowers prices.

How, in your mind, does this sentence make any sense? Don't worry you can really lay into me, I won't reply.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by imtringued on Monday October 11, 2021 @02:34AM (#28825420)
Car companies shut down production because they predicted low demand which caused car prices to spike. If the president told the car companies that he is going to give consumers enough money to buy cars car manufacturers wouldn't have slowed down production but instead doubled down on producing more, prices would be low because there is enough supply.
Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by hammock on Monday October 11, 2021 @03:01AM (#28825580)
We did this experiment already with used cars, it was called cash for clunkers, and it raised the price of used cars.

If Biden forgives student loans is that going to lower the price of tuition?

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by soylentnewsorg on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:08AM (#28825968)
> and it raised the price of used cars

since the point of the program was to stimulate production of New cars, which it did, creating an increase in GDP and jobs, the experiment was a success.

If Biden forgives student loans it will not lower the price of tuition. Since the point of student loan forgiveness is to help people get on their feet, and buy houses and cars, it not lowering the price of tuition would also mean a success.

I'm guessing you have a house mortgage. If I pay that off for you, will it lower the price of your house? I guess there's no point in doing it then. Because you wouldn't take that monthly mortgage payment and instead buy more stuff or invest in stocks, boosting the economy. You would clearly spend it on sponsoring a super-spreader own-the-libs rally.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by hammock on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:58AM (#28828358)
So it's the intention or internal motivation of the money that makes the difference? When I look at George Washington I see the same expression in every bill, but that could be me.
Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by soylentnewsorg on Monday October 11, 2021 @03:42AM (#28825825)
Well, since I explained it, my recommendation is in addition to re-taking econ101, also retaking English - reading specifically. When you give money to people, they spend it by giving it to companies by purchasing products or buying stock. When you don't, companies go out of business and your supply is reduced. Reduced supply is higher prices.

This applies during a pandemic, when the companies doing the supply are going out of business, and when the demand side is out of a job and out of money to spend with those companies.

But, since my first explanation, which is exactly the same as what I retyped here, was not read by you beyond an out of context sentence, I have a very good idea about how your brain works, and why it still makes no sense to you. Now talk a bit about why the vaccine is a plot to take away our freedom. I'm here for the entertainment.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by 314 on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:32AM (#28825036)
Does Econ101 dig into the differences between demand-side and supply-side inflation? Or what happens when you try to hide the deflationary effects of debt destruction through money printing?

I ask because I'm unfamiliar with the basic curriculum in economics, although in the sciences some of the early concepts that we are taught include:

* Correlation is not causation

* Confirmation bias should be overcome by posing relevant testable questions rather than relying on anecdotes.

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by pram on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:55AM (#28825186)
Yes the aggregate demand/supply model covers demand and supply shocks, which can correspond to inflationary and recessionary conditions.
Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:44AM (#28825107)
> When a very basic idiom taught in entry level economics proves true again and again, I'm not sure how much complexity is required to prove it false. At that point it just feels like fighting for the point of fighting.

Except "your basic idiom" actually turns out to not be true in a lot of cases. It turns out that when you look at cases of notable inflation, these are nearly always accompanied by substantial supply side shocks, and that's also happening now.

For a good research article of a related example, see https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9160/revisions/c....

Re:World food prices hit 10-year peak – FAO by roenxi on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:44AM (#28825113)
If we go beyond Econ 101, what scenario do you envision in 2021 where everyone gets money handed out to them and either (a) prices go down or (b) people get happier?

There is no practical way that handing out more money is going to create more resources. In theory there might be one, but in practice the globe just shut down percentages of the economy in response to the coronavirus. There are still policies in place where people willing and able to work are being mass-ejected from their jobs. Add money handouts to that and the only way to be surprised if prices go up is to be not paying any attention to anything economic.