My utilities are 50% cheaper and more reliable, crime is lower, the air quality is better, and I bought a new construction with 10G Fiber Internet (You will never get this in California due to failing infrastructure). I miss is the arts, culture, and nightlife, but that was wiped out by government-enacted COVID restrictions so there are few redeeming reasons to stay. Tesla should be a good lesson that when you put political idealism above the basic needs of your residents (Safety, infrastructure, housing), people leave.

Otherwise, you get what little you can get and you just have to be happy with DSL because it’s still better than what you can effectively get with Spectrum, since you’re sharing that with all your 500 closest neighbors and you still have to put up with outages and throttling and being treated like trash from the “cable guy” installers who wouldn’t understand concepts like bend radius if you broke their arm at the right distances and showed them how the glass fiber also breaks when it is bent too tightly.

Yes, this is an old pet peeve.

That's depressing, especially for a US "tech hub". I'm in an irrelevant-but-dense urban area of Japan and have 1G fiber @ <$40 / month.

Isn't that the case pretty much everywhere, though? These things will come back in CA just as they will everywhere else, barring catastrophic economic collapse.

Just clueless people on the internet that don't know what they're talking about. Probably because there is nothing else to do in texas besides be mad about things lol.

Then you think about it again and comment on a public forum about it. Yeah that's totally not caring at all.

I've had 10g fiber in three places in San Francisco and almost moved to a house in Cupertino that had 10g fiber. Not sure about the rest of California honestly.

Also I’m not sure the utilities are better in Texas. Cheaper, sure, but is that gas infrastructure winterized yet?

Nothing happened then, and I don’t expect anything to happen this time.

There’s no new inventory being built, and there won’t be a significant amount of new inventory built any time soon, because Texas is the most terrified state in the country of all the Mexicans coming across the border to take all the jobs.

They’ll spend billions of dollars to protect that border, but nothing to build new housing for people moving to the state.

https://www.trulia.com/TX/Austin/

https://www.trulia.com/CA/Palo_Alto/

Texas also doesnt have prop 13 so it is unlikely to ever reach the levels of a California city

I think that's fair but the nonetheless the only houses on here in San Mateo for under 600k are about 600sq ft. Even 1200sqft homes are 1M+ Where do you think married mid-level engineers are going to live?

For 500k in Austin you can choose between brand new 1300 sqft homes or older 2500 sqft homes.

By comparison, Austin permitted 8600 multi-family units in 2018 alone. That doesn't include single family detached, which averages another 2800 a year.

They’re right proper nutcase looney tunes in San Francisco, when it comes to new building. Almost as bad as they are here.

Well, that is unless you’re building high rises on the river for the millionaires and billionaires. Then you can build as many of those as you want.

Then, they can rinse and repeat at a new location.

Or is Tesla going to give each of them 25kw solar arrays plus three Powerwalls, and a backup natural gas generator for when the sun doesn’t come out in January or February and ERCOT decides they’re going to just go into rolling blackout mode because they are unable to sniff their own butts?

The only thing to remember is that Californians can afford the new area's current housing prices and a decade's worth of price increases.

The number of people moving from San Francisco to Austin in a year is something like 240 households. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/People-are-leavi...

Zero growth isn't the right baseline. The fact that the population hasn't boomed means something is definitely wrong.

Nothing to fault them for if they want to be wealthy and exclusive.

“The thing I have noticed is when the anecdotes and the data disagree, the anecdotes are usually right.” -Jeff Bezos

Being data driven is not necessarily a bad thing, but the design of the study, the kinds of data collected, and all the other factors that go into how the data is measured need to be considered too.

This article about there being no “Californian Exodus” just doesn’t seem true, much in the same way I discount all those reports that say something along the line of “No, crime is actually down in the Bay Area”. Despite people living there saying it’s gotten way worse. The answer probably lies in changing what gets counted as “a crime”, coupled with police not responding to things they used to report, and citizens feeling like it is futile to call the police. But the data would paint the picture that crime is objectively down. But when you apply some other analysis you can see the conclusion is flawed.

Many people moved their nexus to their parents house while physically going elsewhere with the uncertainty. USPS data has no way of accounting for that if the physical human being did not tell USPS to forward mail to where they physically were.

Anecdotes are a signal to say “look over there and see where the hypothesis goes”, if people havent done that and simply invalidate anecdotes because meme, then the answer is not known

And for many questions the data doesn’t exist, just because someone elevated USPS change of address filings as a signal doesn’t mean it is the strongest

get California moving and those emigrants could turn every single state blue starting with every swing county, worth mentioning as the opposite is not true for the opposition party, from a math and distinctly unpartisan perspective.

By the time Tesla reaches critical mass in Austin, Project Connect may very well be on its way to construction of the Orange and Blue lines. This establishes a light rail train from North Austin to the Airport. Given Round Rock is north of Austin, and the Airport is nearly adjacent to the Tesla complex, this could be a suitable option for commuters. Or easily extended with additional investment.

Though, for white collar jobs, I would expect multiple Tesla offices in Austin to work around this problem. They already have office space leased on opposite ends of the city.

Tech Ridge is a great location that is accessible from Round Rock and Cedar Park. Apple, GE, 3M, Home Depot, and Blue Apron all have offices in this area.

I think all metro traffic situations are relative, because no one likes any amount of traffic.

I wouldn't trust this. Speaking as a resident of Austin, there's several OG Austinites that are mad about all the change. Sounds like FUD to me. Point to a source please!

This two are the same problem: http://www.austintexas.gov/news/sanitary-sewer-overflow-repo... https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/sewer-overflow-sends-...

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/93-of-austins-stormwater...