Covid is more dangerous to kids than chicken pox, we still vaccinate kids for chickenpox though. Hundreds of children have died of Covid-19. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-...

Not all countries vaccinate kids for chickenpox. The UK still doesn't for example. I'm pretty sure it's easily the least necessary of the childhood vaccinations.

Chickenpox vaccine lasts a lifetime, giving it to kids protects them as an adult as well.

> Kids don't even feel this shit if they catch it.

In general, sure, but that's a bit like arguing people should be able to drive drunk because drunks are more likely to survive a car accident.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/odds-favo...

> A retrospective study of nearly 8,000 trauma patients found that seven percent of people who came in sober died of their injuries, while those who were hurt while drunk only died one percent of the time. A positive blood alcohol level seemed to increase the likelihood of survival, even after the researchers took into account the age of the patient and the severity of the injury. Trauma patients who came in to the hospital drunk were discharged sooner, too.

The impact on others can be significant, and important.

Then the establishment should just be honest about it instead of trying to fear-porn parents into wanting to "protect your kids from the deadly disease".... Just say.... we are going to put your kids at risk from the vaccine because we think the ends justify the benefits for old people.

They can't do that because they stupidly backed themselves into a corner with 20+yr of "think of the children" rhetoric to justify all sorts of stupid things so now any risk to the children is not acceptable.

> instead of trying to fear-porn parents

> we are going to put your kids at risk from the vaccine

A bit on the nose, don't you think?

How else should it be stated except "on the nose," given what's at stake?

It's "a bit on the nose" that someone complaining about fear-porn uses the same post to push fear-porn about the vaccines.

> To state that children will be put at risk by the vaccines is not "fear porn," it is clearly the case.

To argue that COVID is not a threat to children, but the vaccines are, is an inconsistent position. Children are, statistically, at quite low risk from both.

As a parent, I'm quite comfortable with the idea of my children taking the very very very small risk of a vaccine reaction in order to not go grandparent-less.

We’ve given vaccines to tens of millions of 12-17 year olds.

If kids "don't even feel this shit if they catch it"

Why have pediatric ICU beds been near or at capacity and care as a whole on the brink of failure from months of completely fucked working conditions for the doctors and nurses?

Along with other kids not dealing with COVID having life saving medical procedures/treatments indefinitely delayed until beds are back down below a certain fill for some amount of time? I've personally had to see effects this in my extended family.

Seriously - what is wrong with you? What makes you have to say things/come to conclusions like this when you're very clearly factually incorrect?

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/pediatric-hospital-b...

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/number-of...

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210816/u-s-reports-record-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-sick-covid-are-fil...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/24/health/covid-hospitalizations...

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-pediatric-cov...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/02/picu-hosp...

There are 3006 counties in the USA. Given that the pandemic is not trivial, it is possible to find a couple counties with overwhelmed ICU beds on any given day. The catch is that the counties change as the pandemic waves come and go. The media chases around for the counties that get overwhelmed, and ignores the vast majority of counties that are not overwhelmed. That before taking in account that, for economic reasons, ICUs are not build for pandemics, with double digit occupancy rates even outside epidemic waves.

For example, here's actual pedriatic ICU data from Seattle metro area with ~4M people. I bet this never made the news.

MARY BRIDGE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, 55.5%, 6.1 of 11.0 beds used

SEATTLE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, 83.0%, 71.4 of 86.0 beds used

https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity

Edit: Turns out that the KitsapSun app has county-level data for all of USA. For Tarrant county (your top 2 links), right now the pedriatic ICU data is:

COOK CHILDRENS MEDICAL CENTER, 82.5%, 34.3 of 41.6 beds used

Not great, but not months-long-near-capacity-brink-of-failure situation either. The adult ICU situation is much worse, hopefully it will retreat in the coming weeks.

https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity...