"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's important not to react to the most provocative thing in an article by copying it into the comments to complain about it. It just leads to the threads turning into the same flamewars over and over again, which is the opposite of what HN is supposed to be for. We want comments to come from a place of curiosity.

I know it takes a certain self-regulation not to take the bait, and this is not easy - it seems to go against hard-wiring - but it's something that we all need to work on as a community. The idea is to maximize interesting discussions and minimize hideous ones.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Can you please explain what you mean by 'disgusting alt-right vocabulary'? After your comment I read his post twice and didn't find anything remotely political.

> Nitter.net is a Twitter proxy that mirrors Twitter, but without Javascript soyware and spying.

With "soy" here being an old dogwhistle that refers to the "theory" that men are being feminized through the estrogen contained in meals that have soy as ingredient.

You are offering significant interpretation here. Note the adjaceny if 'o' and 'p' on the QWERTY.

'Soyware' is possibly a simple 'spyware' typo.

I know neither you nor The Famous Article's author, but your remark does not instill confidence in your judgement.

It's not a typo, the author also uses this on their YouTube channel.

by definition a dog-whistle. something which can be innocently handwaved away by those not attuned, but sends a clear signal to those capable of reception.

not a typo https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soydev

This is interesting because I passed over the word without noticing and even didn't understand even when it was pointed out. Now that it has been spelled out for me, a word has gone from being unnoticed to communicating the idea that the complaint is against. By making a larger issue about this, the objection has enabled the idea to spread giving the author more reach for his views than he originally had.

Because the "soy" thing is an overt aspect of alt-right and toxic incel discourse.

Are jokes on the debated but possible phytoestrogenic side effects of soy really exclusively alt right?

No, but the associated cultural memes were born in and currently thrive in the overlapping alt-right and toxic incel cultures. And Luke Smith openly associates himself with the former.

Because Luke Smith is not shy to express his alt right political views both on his website and his YouTube channel. As long as he's free to do that, I'm free to criticize it.

I would completely agree on that, if his general blog would be what was posted. But this is an unrelated informative article, which is why I don't think discrediting critique of the person is valid. Especially since the 'offenses' seem impressively minor in this case.

I agree that this is an unrelated article, but he opened this can of worms himself by inserting dogwhistles in it. Which is unfortunate, because the information in there is actually useful and something I would gladly link in the "Library" section of my blog. But I can't do that now, otherwise I'd be platforming speech that wants me dead.

Would you care to explain to me how "consooome" and "soyware" imply your death?

In my vocabulary those are a joking reference to overconsumption and a play on bad software that serves as spyware, which social media sites arguably often are imo.

If you argue that you associate these words with people that want you dead it would seem to me that that is your narrow personal perspective. I certainly don't want you dead.

> platforming speech that wants me dead.

can you point to a single instance where luke smith has advocated violence, against you or others?

Perhaps you’re over sensitive or you get a kick out of derailing. Either way, time here has been lost to the topic.

Sorry, that was definitely bad wording on my part. But still, I think my hesitancy to platform people who openly use the vernacular of people who actually do want that is reasonable. I obviously don't know Luke Smith and have no idea on what he actually wants, but I know the people who use those words and what they want.

Do you have some examples of his alt-right political opinions? I've watched a few videos of his that were recommended and don't remember anything there.

If I remember correctly he's very critical of modern society and the modern human living conditions. Very disillusioned from big cities and academic institutions. Example; "modern man is a slave to his impulses and calls it freedom. Previous societies forbid giving into these impulses and thus were more free." ~see his blog

To me it seems quite conservative and always well explained but never outright alt-right.

I think the FAQ (https://web.archive.org/web/20180523034252/http://old.lukesm...) says it all really, especially the section where he talks about "the SJWs".

After reading I think you are blowing this out of proportion by stating that "it says it all". There is a section there about his political beliefs and he says his main belief is that tech-monopolies should be broken down and society should be governed on a smaller scale. I think half of HN readers would agree with some version of that. And about "the SJWs" - he only says that people are asking him to make video about them and he is not going to do that.

Maybe I don't know what alt-right is but I don't see how this is alt-right. Just because he uses the term "SJW" ? I don't use it but I know what it means. You apparently do also. That doesn't make us alt-right, right?

There isn't much alt-right about that specifically, but it's clear wording that the alt-right has been using online for years. Talking about "SJWs" controlling the media and universities (and in the very same paragraph saying every "normal" person wants them "gone") and calling things you dislike "soy" are both plays in the years old alt-right playbook. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...

I have noticed that people commonly referred to as SJW often consider everyone who is not them to be alt-right.

And yes, people sharing social justice values do obsess over it and it shows.

Anecdotal example: random article brought to me by sliding android home screen to the left about new Foundation series spent more than half of the volume addressing the diversity of the cast and lamenting that on-screen sex was showing only heterosexuals.

This can be said about almost any article about any piece of media directed to me by Google, from which I do conclude that SJWs, indeed, control the media.

(I have no personal experience with the US universities, so I can't say anything about them being controlled by the SJWs)

Ah, the blessings of the Google-free Android experience get proven once again by this counterexample of Google - or rather those working for Google who are in control these feeds - pushing their agenda onto unsuspecting (...?) victims.

May I suggest removing whatever stock distribution you have and replacing it with e.g. LineageOS, doing away with Google services - use microG [1] et al if you need something which depends on them - and dropping whatever "news aggregator" feed is offered by third parties? Use something like Nextcloud News [2] and add the feeds for a number of publications, both corporate as well as alternative, from all sides of the political spectrum. Compare how events are reported between them and form your own conclusions. Also give up on the hope of non-political culture reporting from corporate media, this seems to be one of the most heavily politicised areas with nearly all publications slanted towards the "left" side of the political spectrum.

[1] https://microg.org/

[2] https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/news

I think they refer to terms like consoooom and soyware which are not political, but can be connected to 4chan and therefore to the alt-right. It's a bit of a strech if this is the first time you heard of Luke Smith, but generally he's not shy to express his political opinions on the far right of the spectrum. Which is a shame, because otherwise there's a lot I can agree with him on.

Well, at least most of the blogs on self-hosted freedom-of-expression-respecting solutions I read over the net are written by boogeyman "alt-rights" and "4channers", unlike the so called "liberal" ilk that are bowing day and night to big media.

I have my criticisms on Luke Smith, but as a fellow man, I respect him.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do it. Specifically, when an account is using HN primarily for ideological battle, we ban it, regardless of which ideology it's battling for—we have to, because it's destructive of what this site is supposed to exist for.

Your account has been veering back into this territory quite noticeably, and if you keep it up we're going to have to ban you again. If you'd please review the guidelines and stick to the rules from now on, we'd appreciate it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I had a look at one of his Peertube feeds and I see that "soy[noun]" is something he uses often enough that it's probably not a typo. Example: "climate soyence," "OBS is major soyware." All with the soyboy meme guy overlaid. The "soy" thing is very much an alt-right dogwhistle, but those have a way of leaking out, so it's not always a red flag in isolation. I don't think such a charitable read is warranted in this case: he's all in on the meme. Put it together with all the pepes and whatnot, and it's clear he's at least well into the pipeline.

This is why I'm usually against making such accusations without extra context. There's no way a casual reader could have seen this. If you don't have that context, it's clearly just a typo! So Kaze404 looks like a goofball, unless you have context.

edit: more context that removes all doubt https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28653868

It’s 2021. Like it or not, what you’re describing is common slang of internet youth culture.

Edgy antisemitic[0] language (like "unJewgled"), along with transphobia, homophobia, and racism, was normal when I was an internet youth, too. Then I grew up. I don't think he's an internet youth unless I seriously misjudged the photo on his website.

[0] https://www.adl.org/spelling

"unJewgled Chromium"[1] was the first one that came to mind. He's normally a little bit more subtle, but I guess he was feeling randy that time.

I'm not going to dig further through his blog posts (they're insufficiently interesting from a technological perspective; mostly longform versions of what someone with only opinions from 4chan would write), but you're welcome to.

[1]: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/every-web-browser-absolutely-...

I did so in another comment on this very thread. And unfortunately for you, even if I didn't you don't have the power to stop me from saying it. Maybe next time read the rest of the thread before commenting.