Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by bobbylarrybobby on Friday September 24, 2021 @05:53PM (#28648245)

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by fphhotchips on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:50PM (#28648657)

You're kidding right? I hate that behaviour of MacOS. If I told the OS to shut down/restart, I meant it. Kill everything and get on with it, I shouldn't have to babysit.

If I told it to update, I didn't mean "oh pretty please but if it's too hard don't worry about it", I meant "I know this ii. update is going to take an hour for a point release for some reason, but I'm going for a walk now - go ahead so IT gets off my back".

Also I've had many issues with my macbook overheating/discharging in my bag because I hit sleep, it looked like it was sleeping, but it was still on/woke up. Admittedly not a huge amount because of COVID but still.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by brokencode on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:18PM (#28648869)

Just killing all apps is a very hostile default for a consumer OS. You might be able to force a restart from the terminal if you really don’t care about data integrity though.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by bobbylarrybobby on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:02PM (#28648757)

Can’t you just wait two minutes for it yo cycle through all open apps and click “don’t save”/“terminate” on all of them?

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by andrepd on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:35PM (#28649630)

But why isn't there simply a Terminate All button?

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by distances on Saturday September 25, 2021 @03:10AM (#28651132)

It's the power button, just force instant power off if you don't mind an integrity check at next startup!

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by shbooms on Saturday September 25, 2021 @04:02AM (#28651389)

there is, sort of, but it's got one or two extra steps (and most folks probably don't know it exists).

1. Press Cmd+Option+Escape to bring up the Force Quit menu

2. Press Cmd+A to select all running apps

3. Click the "Force Quit" Button to force quit all apps

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by masto on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:28AM (#28653018)

And then it doesn’t work, so after half an hour of staring at a grey screen, you give up and hold down the power button.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by rsanek on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @05:46PM (#28700416)

Why wait at all in that case and not just hold down the power button right away?

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by muttled on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:38PM (#28648556)

Made me think about a system we have to enter notes in at work. It'll kick you out with 10 minutes of inactivity. But it won't tell you it's kicked you out. You just go to save your notes and it puts you to a login screen, discarding everything you've typed.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by tomjen3 on Sunday September 26, 2021 @08:10AM (#28660231)

That would cause me to edit my notes in notepad and then copy past them when done.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by mtone on Saturday September 25, 2021 @04:58AM (#28651637)

Unsaved work should be a concern of the app, not the OS. The app should obey the commands of the OS, and handle auto-saving on its own to keep fulfilling its duties to the user.

Apps that let you risk losing work -- from not just shutdowns but crashes and power outages - are the ones I don't tolerate. It's one of the reason I use Sublime Text for taking notes for example.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by reassembled on Saturday September 25, 2021 @05:03PM (#28656169)

VSCode has excellent work preservation. I’ve had multiple Windows in VSCode open for months, with many “unsaved” documents open, and it always reloads everything after reboots and shutdowns.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by oauea on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:13PM (#28648383)

So just like Windows since... 7? Or something like that.

I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty. Unfortunately Apple hasn't yet cracked unlimited power.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by mlyle on Friday September 24, 2021 @11:57PM (#28650377)

Windows will routinely shut itself down to do updates and obliterate things that have not saved.

> I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty.

Macs "safe sleep" --- when they sleep, they save a hibernation/ram state too. So if the battery is depleted, they still do not shut down.

I'm probably going back to MacOS after my current Windows 10 machine, because too many annoyances have shown up (and now ESC keys exist again).

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by internet2000 on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:24PM (#28648912)

Macs sleep on low battery, then hibernate RAM contents to disk when really really empty. You never lose data.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by oauea on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:44PM (#28649690)

Right, so the same as Windows.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by nikau on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:29PM (#28649945)

A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on.

I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by siva7 on Saturday September 25, 2021 @06:01AM (#28651876)

I've used Windows in its most recent Version on a high-end Dell issued by my company and can confirm all reports here about losing data and overheating. The Macbook simply works out of box but i can't get the Windows Machine to work in a sane way without 50/50 chance of losing all battery or data after closing the lid...

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by test001only on Sunday September 26, 2021 @03:50AM (#28659168)

I have noticed the same thing with Mac fans. Another meme from the past which needs to die is that Mac has better user interface. There are so many annoying and missing UI issues in Mac and dare I say Windows has better UI for some aspects of the OS than Mac.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by nikau on Sunday September 26, 2021 @05:47AM (#28659599)

Yeah mac is a mixed bag, eg. preview is awesome, finder absolutely sucks.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by katbyte on Saturday September 25, 2021 @04:28AM (#28651516)

Unless it wakes for some weird reason, or does auto update and blows everything away which has been the general jist of this thread

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by oauea on Saturday September 25, 2021 @03:13PM (#28655471)

Yeah I see lots of people complaining about that. Kinda weird since I've literally never had it happen to me on any of my windows machines.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by spaztastical on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:03PM (#28648761)

funny

I was using an iPad Pro and I thought something in the Apple Notes app was good. Poof. Never found the file after.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by test001only on Sunday September 26, 2021 @03:46AM (#28659152)

MS Windows does the same thing with Hibernate.

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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by FredPret on Sunday September 26, 2021 @08:57AM (#28660534)

Until it decides you must have this new update and reboots your machine at 2am for you

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