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Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by pphysch on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:01PM (#28645042)
> But China imprisoning populations solely for having a different religion and culture

Do you have any evidence for this claim that isn't compromised by a State Department-sized CoI? I'm genuinely curious.

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by yorwba on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:31PM (#28646138)
I think this Chinese government website might not have been compromised: http://www.chinapeace.gov.cn/chinapeace/c25030/2012-06/19/co...

A man surnamed Ibrahim (so probably member of a Turkic Muslim minority) was sentenced to 10 years in prison and a fine of 200,000 RMB for illegally importing and selling illegal religious and/or pirated publications.

Whether that's evidence of "China imprisoning populations solely for having a different religion and culture" depends on how much emphasis you put on the "solely". If he'd actually been licensed, he probably wouldn't have been arrested, but on the other hand I know a woman selling all kinds of Taoist snakeoil, and I don't think anyone's bothered to investigate her, so his religion likely played a role.

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by pphysch on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:14PM (#28647277)
This doesn't remotely support the claim of genocide. The guy was actually accused, tried and convicted of a crime, probably involving the distribution of jihadi material.

The crime of illegally distributing documents would be brutally prosecuted in the US, possibly outside the legal system. Whether it's jihadi material or pirated Disney films.

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by yorwba on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:57PM (#28648719)
> This doesn't remotely support the claim of genocide.

You didn't ask about genocide in the comment I replied to.

> The guy was actually accused, tried and convicted of a crime, probably involving the distribution of jihadi material.

The police seized 125250 copies. I doubt jihad is nearly that popular. (His city of Hetian only has 400,000 inhabitants.) But importing any kind of religious publication beyond a small amount for personal use requires express permission http://www.gov.cn/ziliao/flfg/2007-04/20/content_589295.htm paragraph 10. Most likely it was just an edition of the Qur'an that hadn't been officially approved by the Islamic Association of China.

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by fakedang on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:59PM (#28647117)
It's very possible though that the guy was selling "illegal" Qurans, prayer mats and incantation beads, all of which are illegal material in Communist China. There's no chance in hell he could have legalized that business whatsoever, simply because the Chinese government does not take a liking to the Muslim faith (partly because they can't control it like they control the churches due to its decentralized nature).
Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by yorwba on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:35PM (#28648537)
The centralized organisation serving as a conduit between the government and Muslims is the Islamic Association of China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Association_of_China Among other things, it has produced an official translation of the Qur'an, published by China Social Sciences Press http://www.csspw.com.cn/booksclass_159590_1_2__0_issueddate_... If he'd been selling that one, it would've been unproblematic. (But also unlikely to be very profitable.)
Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by random314 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:31PM (#28645451)
Is that so hard to find? Here is a list of academics jailed for their ethnicity, as part if the genocide.

https://shahit.biz/supp/list_003.pdf

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by WhySoGullible on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:26PM (#28647394)
This is what Gene Bunin, the author of that list, had to say about his own database:

> "we have over 10000+ documented people" was the initial comment. Neither boasting nor saying 100% are credible."

Sounds incredibly reliable to me.

[1] https://twitter.com/shahitbiz/status/1306554296088096769

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by random314 on Monday September 27, 2021 @01:03AM (#28667236)
Here is the wikipedia page of the very 1st person on the list https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halmurat_Upur
Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by pphysch on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:40PM (#28645554)
Wow, you unironically just linked a Radio Free Asia[1] rag after I requested sources that don't have a "State Department sized CoI".

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Radio_Free_Asia&m...

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by joyeuse6701 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:32PM (#28645457)
Evidence is hard to come by because the CCP isn’t forthcoming in the least, but we do have the investigative journalism of the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/podcasts/uighurs-coverage...

Re:Food fraud and counterfeit cotton: detectives untangling ... by pphysch on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:42PM (#28645573)
An I missing something or NYT is just linking to Zenz's and Allen-Ebrahimian's dubious claims?