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Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by josefx on Thursday September 23, 2021 @04:55AM (#28626766)
> Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere

This isn't the first time the EU mentioned those plans, the current situation is basically the phone manufacturers regulating themselves to avoid an explicit regulation by the EU.

> it's Apple and their cable.

Of course there is always that one greedy asshole ruining it for everyone else.

> What's Apple reasoning for not abandoning Lightning for USB-C on their phones?

They probably considered Lightning to be superior but couldn't make it the industry standard without loosing their ability to charge absurd amounts of licensing fees for it.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by danpalmer on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:37AM (#28627043)
> They probably considered Lightning to be superior but couldn't make it the industry standard without loosing their ability to charge absurd amounts of licensing fees for it.

I don't think it's this. Lightning was superior to micro-USB, but it's certainly not superior to USB-C.

I think the problem is that everyone remembers the transition from the 30 pin dock connector to Lightning. Apple has a huge reputation for just changing their cables all the time.

This is largely unwarranted. For the portable devices they had 30-pin for ~10 years, then lightning for ~10 years, and it looks like it's on its way out soon. I think 10 years is a fairly reasonable time to keep ecosystems the same. People don't have 10 year old cables and chargers around.

This reputation is pervasive though. I think they're holding off until they can drop the cable entirely in 1-2 years.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by MagnumOpus on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:54AM (#28629172)
> People don't have 10 year old cables and chargers around.

Yes they do, why wouldn't they? I have mini/micro USB chargers and cables that are older, same for USB A/B cables, same for network cables.

Only cables that get tossed are Apple lightning cables because they are crap quality and fray within 2-3 years, and other non-standard crap (pre-2010 proprietary phone/camera chargers like 30-pin and the like)

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by zxcvbn4038 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @01:33PM (#28632374)
> People don't have 10 year old cables and chargers around.

Just looking in my cable drawer I have USB types A, B, mini-A, mini-B, micro-A, micro-B, and C. I also have lightening and apple dock from the original iPhone. I have some weird Chinese cable that looks like USB micro-A and micro-B but doesn't fit either. There are a few barrel connectors from my old Nokia phones. A couple of my wife's old Samsung phone cables. This is just from the stuff I've owned.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by pantulis on Thursday September 23, 2021 @01:42PM (#28632483)
Just curious, why do you keep all that stuff around?
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by zxcvbn4038 on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:28AM (#28639886)
So I don’t have to pay for a new ones next time I need one. My headphones need micro-b, my gps uses mini-a for data and mini-b for power, my China phones might use any of the mini or micro connectors - whatever they had a lot of that month, usb-a is the most common connector I find while traveling, raspberry pi uses micro b, etc.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by pantulis on Saturday September 25, 2021 @05:43AM (#28651819)
Thanks for your answer! I understand the USB "estandards" going around, but what surprised me was that you kept old Nokia and Samsung charging cables. I got rid of all of them in my last moving.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by ThatPlayer on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:50AM (#28627128)
If Lightning was superior, the new iPad Mini and new (and previous) iPad Pros wouldn't be using USB-C rather than Lightning.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by mrsuprawsm on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:59AM (#28627178)
I think that the idea of the USB-C port on the iPads is to connect external devices. These are more likely to have a USB-C <-> something (e.g. USB-C -> USB-[micro|C|A]) cable that people already have lying around, as opposed to lightning -> something cable.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by ThatPlayer on Thursday September 23, 2021 @06:16AM (#28627284)
From the perspective of Apple though, that's another adapter for them to sell. They already make a lightning -> USB-A adapter.

And the idea of a common, readily available for most people, port is exactly what this legislation is about. It should apply to charging cables for phones too.