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Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:13PM (#28620474)
Google's ecosystem != Windows ecosystem.

There's FLStudio (or Bitwig, or Reaper) to match Apple's Logic, 1Password (or Bitlocker from what I hear) to match Google's passwords.google.com, and Backblaze+others to match Time Machine

Sure 'switching to apple' is a choice, but only one of many. Personally I am tired of using tech designed for and by managers and SWE's gunning for promotion and not personal empowerment or passion for personal computing

Besides, everyone needs to ditch Chrome. Firefox could use the love

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by egypturnash on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:44PM (#28624353)
Backblaze+others to match Time Machine

BB complements TM for me; it's super useful to have a local versioned backup that's updated every time I dock my laptop with the desk, and is also invisibly supplemented by a versioned backup of changes I've made that the OS maintains on unused space on the laptop's drive. Works even if I'm sitting at a cafe with all the radios turned off to get maximum life out of the battery.

Backblaze? Backblaze is there for in case my house burns down and I leave with nothing but the clothes on my back.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by abandonliberty on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @07:53PM (#28623567)
Bitwarden. Open source, independently auditable password manager. For something this important, it should be no other way.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by oneplane on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:06PM (#28623689)
On the other hand, having as many users as possible use any password manager at all is an immense challenge as-is. It really doesn't matter what gets them using one as long as they do. If an OS-native one happens to have the lowest friction, so be it.

For everyone else, sure, there might be 100 people in the world that will actually audit their open source password managers. But that isn't exactly moving the rest of the industry forward (be it from the engineering perspective or the user perspective).

In this case, (almost) perfect is the enemy of good.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:37PM (#28623905)
Ah, shoot. It's too late for me to edit my original post but this is what I meant to mention. Bitlocker is Windows' FDE solution
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by oneplane on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:04PM (#28623671)
> "Personally I am tired of using tech designed for and by managers and SWE's gunning for promotion and not personal empowerment or passion for personal computing"

Unless you have spoken to all managers and SWEs I doubt you can make such a blanket statement about the immense workforces at Microsoft, Google and Apple.

Sure, one could argue that Microsoft is profit-driven, Google might be marketshare-driven and Apple might be UX-driven, and all of those could be true (or at least true for a major subset of both the engineers and the targeted user group). But it would be a guess at best and not helpful to your personal situation or anyone else's.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:42PM (#28623934)
How could you possibly interpret this new world of digital sharecropping ("cloud computing") as empowering? Where is the passion for 'personal computing' when nearly everything personal about it is delegated to the cloud?

Personal computing is a box under your desk or in your pocket beefy and smart enough to solve your problems without checking in with daddy warbucks and the mothership.

Nearly everything about modern cloud computing is the opposite... it disempowers individuals and creates an unhealthy relationship with things that are out of the users control. How many peoples' livelihoods have been messed up because FANG decided to lock them out for some reason or another? How many articles have been posted to HN and elsewhere begging for a FANG employee to come along and fix their problem because there is no other option?

The server in my closet or at my datacenter isn't going to lock me out because I pissed off Google.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by etchalon on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:14AM (#28625153)
There's literally nothing stoping you from working exactly the same way as before the "cloud" was a thing. You just ignore the cloud features.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @11:52AM (#28630940)
In theory, yes, but in practice Microsoft Office favors its cloud service when you click "Open" or "Save". Didn't they break autosave to only work when a document is backed by the cloud?

In practice, I am continually having to disable cloud-related features (worded that I need them in the most patronizing way possible) every time Windows updates

In practice, common knowledge on desktop computing is atrophying because of an increasingly acute lack of knowledgeable users on the internet. As more and more of the young users who grew up in this gilded cage enter a level of expertise, their advice pollutes forums with cloud-backed solutions and knowledge of 'the old ways' becomes harder and harder to find.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by llampx on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:33AM (#28625815)
There are dark UX patterns pushing users towards the cloud services and/or making the old way harder to use.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by hulitu on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:16AM (#28626896)
Why do i need 2 clicks on win to open the file save dialog ? If the program is behaving "like before" why do they change it every couple of months ?
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by amrangaye on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:01PM (#28635318)
>> How could you possibly interpret this new world of digital sharecropping ("cloud computing") as empowering?

Because it lets people - such as my older relatives - who wouldn't use a desktop and would have problems setting up and configuring one - especially for an "advanced" use case such as setting up your own private cloud.

As a computer instructor back home in west Africa, before smartphones I had students (especially older ones) who struggled with even using a mouse or keyboard. I've never had to teach a single one of them how to use their smartphone (at least for things like browsing the internet, taking and editing photos, making notes, etc). Providing things like photo editing on-device, without having to download and figure out a program like photoshop (or image magic for example) is a non-starter. Now they can edit, filter, share, make home movies- all without needing any help.

>> Where is the passion for 'personal computing' when nearly everything personal about it is delegated to the cloud?

I don't know what you mean by passion, but these people love their phones and the things it lets them do, with an intuitive UI (as well as a transferable one between Android and iOS, since they're about the same feature wise at the moment)

>> Personal computing is a box under your desk or in your pocket beefy and smart enough to solve your problems

This is ONE version of personal computing, and tbh an option only available to us "hackers".

>> without checking in with daddy warbucks and the mothership.

You don't need to check in. My country has crappy bandwidth and of course it's impossible to do things like pay for iCloud or gdrive without credit cards, so most use the phone without backups, and they're fine.

>> Nearly everything about modern cloud computing is the opposite... it disempowers individuals and creates an unhealthy relationship with things that are out of the users control.

How is allowing my students, older relatives, etc - who wouldn't be able to use a laptop or desktop machine - to go online and talk to their children abroad using apps like whatsapp - disempowering? I understand your point - I miss the days when we had computers to mess around with and learn Linux and coding on. Most of us on here came up that way, compared to kids now who don't have to see the underlying OS or tinker with it - they can just play Fortnite and watch YouTube.

But most people aren't interested in these things, or even care about machine models, OS versions etc. They buy phones because they want to communicate online and talk to their friends and family. That's it.

Before whatsapp the only way I could talk to my family was through international calls, which are prohibitively expensive, so they would happen about once a month. Once they got on whatsapp though we moved to being able to talk, share videos and pics of things happening at home, every single day. In addition a large part of getting rid of our dictator was people being able to use apps like whatsapp to share the latest information, even as he cracked down and only allowed propaganda to be published even in private newspapers.

This is a net positive however you look at it - it has brought far more people (especially in poorer countries) into the digital age. I find that very empowering in the sense of putting tools in the hands of more people, including barely literate ones (my country has something like a 40% illiteracy level rate) who use things like whatsapp voice notes to communicate.

>> How many peoples' livelihoods have been messed up because FANG decided to lock them out for some reason or another?

This is true but not really related to your larger point about computing devices and how they are being used now.

>> The server in my closet or at my datacenter isn't going to lock me out because I pissed off Google.

This really doesn't happen that much often considering we're talking billions of users.

We are on a "hacker" site where most people are skilled "tech people" so of course when things break for them they write blog posts and comments and we get to see and argue over those. Most people using these devices don't know or care about any of this, and have gmail accounts going back a decade that they've used without any issues.

In summary your version of computing (which is similar to mine) just isn't the universal version. I always find joy whenever I go back home and find taxi drivers using their phones to play music, people using YouTube to check instructional videos and post their own etc. When my grandmother died my uncle gathered all the photos, videos, etc that we have of her as a family on whatsapp, and made a nice video tribute of her life to share with us. Gathering the photos and videos took longer than making the movie itself, which was a few taps, and it was a very powerful moment emotionally esp for us family members outside the country. We were able to participate in remembering her life together in a way that international phone calls and a complex (to my uncle) photo editing app on a PC under a desk would ever have let us.

I find this very empowering, and it makes me happy how far we've come and how many more people we have brought across the digital divide. Let's not be myopic because those of us on here have the technical knowledge to disdain and even dump these platforms.

And keep in mind that American / Western users' use cases are very different from the farmer who can only afford a cheap android phone, being able to come online finally to check on crop prices so they won't get cheated, send pictures of their crops to prospective buyers, and even do things like checking the weather.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by quanticle on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:38PM (#28646232)
How is allowing my students, older relatives, etc - who wouldn't be able to use a laptop or desktop machine - to go online and talk to their children abroad using apps like whatsapp - disempowering?

It's the tyranny of the "minimum viable user" [1]. By making information systems that are safe enough for your students or their grandparents to use, the companies have to take away the customizability, configurability and assorted "sharp edges" that make those systems useful for more advanced users. I say "have to" deliberately, because the counterargument of, "Why can't they make both," never seems to describe a real world system.

Whether its Windows, MacOS or heck even Gnome3, the more an information system attempts to cater to the needs of novice users, the worse it becomes at catering to the needs of advanced users. And the terrifying reality is that inexperienced users outnumber us hackers by two orders of magnitude (or more).

[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/69wk8y/the_tyr...

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by cybernautique on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:42PM (#28623939)
It's pretty obvious that everyone who works at Microsoft (specifically) hasn't got the motivation for personal empowerment or computing, or otherwise hasn't got the power to enact such. The end result is the same: a tech corp that oppresses the end user wherever feasible.

Some points to back up my contention:

- Microsoft does not allow the Windows serf to uninstall Edge on Windows 10.

- Microsoft is hostile to the idea of allowing a Windows serf to self-sign their own TPM.

- Microsoft does not allow the Windows serf to inspect the code that arbitrates their computing.

- Microsoft does not offer the Windows serf any ability to inspect, reject, or roll-back "updates."

Understanding these harms helps my personap situation by enabling me to make informed decisions about avoiding serfdom to Microsoft and their legion of cog-like engineers, which is definitely to my benefit. Microsoft engineers actualize the harmful policy of "Windows users deserve less;" therefore, the sniveling SWEs at Microsoft deserve less.

Part of that less which I shall forever withhold is my money and my endorsement of their basic capacity to ethical computing. Microsoft engineers are simply not respectable with regards to any ideals of user empowerment they may pretend to hold.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by stuartd on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:19PM (#28621224)
Backblaze is great, but it’s not a replacement for time machine (and I use both).

Being able to buy a new Mac and make it into an exact copy of the old Mac by using time machine is amazing - I’ve done it a few times over the years, and it still impresses me every time. Plus I have time machine backups from 2011 which I occasionally browse to see what my kids were up to then.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by jonpurdy on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:43PM (#28621516)
I found out the hard way that Backblaze, despite their claims of "...automatically back up all your files including documents, photos, music, movies, and more. It’s that easy.", do not back up .dmg files (among others) by default. Which seems to be a huge omission considering the numerous use cases outside of just application installers.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by ehutch79 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:57PM (#28621700)
I'm going ot go out on a limb and say that for the majority of users, any dmg they have is a software installer they could easily redownload. so a waste to backup
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by jonpurdy on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:50PM (#28623054)
No need to go on a limb, .dmg files are usually software installers. But if I'm paying for a backup service that claims to back everything up, I want them to do exactly that, regardless of whether it can be re-downloaded or not (which takes additional time, not to mention figuring out what was missing from the supposed "everything" backup in the first place).
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by corobo on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:29PM (#28624627)
Go into the settings and remove it from the exclude list then. Storing a billion copies of Spotify.dmg is very wasteful
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by zuhsetaqi on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:07AM (#28626064)
How about just not claiming to backup everything in the first place if it isn’t the default case?
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by corobo on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:42AM (#28627084)
Complain to their support rather than not even open the settings panel before complaining on "Hacker" news, come on

You are a different target market, always check for silly normie settings

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by brink on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:26PM (#28622055)
I'm surprised that backblaze doesn't checksum the files on the user's computer to see if they already have it on their servers to avoid duplicate uploads.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by password4321 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:58AM (#28627968)
Dropbox had to quit doing this 10 years ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2478567#2478608

Apparently Dropbox notices they already have that file, and instead of you uploading it they just make it appear in your account.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by macintux on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:55PM (#28622441)
The first time that backfires, though…
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by odux on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:21PM (#28623796)
They apparently do but only within a users computer (or account, I don't remember). I would be pretty uncomfortable they comparing my files checksum to a master list of sorts
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by paledot on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:22PM (#28624198)
This is exactly what Dropbox does: they hash a file, compare with all known hashes, and deduplicate accordingly. The file is then encrypted with the hash of its contents.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by oneplane on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:01PM (#28623639)
The majority of users have no backups at all. The ones that do either use one of the big three cloud syncing things (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive) or use a local backup (TimeMachine). Everything else is just a niche. (unless you want to pull in corporate users)
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:02PM (#28622540)
That is very disappointing. Do they block ISO files too?
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by simonh on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:40PM (#28622953)
I don’t think it’s a matter of blocking, they’re just filtered by default. You can edit the filter list though so those files are backed up, and that’s what I do.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by jonpurdy on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:48PM (#28623036)
If I had known about their filter list, I would've done exactly that. But their implication that everything was backed up from the beginning by default is what got me.

ISO files are included in that filter list, among other files like VMs and such. Seems like a massive exclusion net to cast when claiming everything is backed up.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:54PM (#28624013)
Backblaze has a bunch of sheisty rules put in place because they're afraid of supporting data hoarders, and want to minimize the amount of space users take as part of their 'unlimited' plan, so I am not surprised.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by ehutch79 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:49PM (#28631735)
Nothing is being blocked. They have a default exclusion list which works very well for the overwhelming majority of users. It prevents people spending forever backing up large downloads that they can just get newer versions of.

Removing these exclusions is very easy and obvious.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by novok on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:44PM (#28622289)
Time machine isn't that great as a backup system and has issues. Carbon copy cloner is a better system to create snapshots to restore to as a local back up system IMO.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by zuhsetaqi on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:10AM (#28626080)
Why is TimeMachine not great? „Has issues“ can be said about pretty much every software out there …
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by runjake on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:44PM (#28620880)
+1. File History is the Time Machine equivalent for Windows. It works great.

It should be used in concert with an offsite backup service like Backblaze.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by slownews45 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:11PM (#28621862)
Awesome! When I've moved windows computers it's not easy getting to back the way my old machine was.

Can you link to a step by step on this - I think this would help a lot of folks.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by runjake on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:19AM (#28625183)
Rather than rehash, I'll point you to Scott Hanselman's excellent (and old, but still valid) article on Windows backups.

https://www.hanselman.com/blog/is-your-stuff-backed-up-recov...

Check out his YouTube videos as well, for a more visual walk-through.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL-fHOdarou-CR2XUmK48Og

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by stuartd on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:22PM (#28621264)
Does that allow you to set up a new PC as an exact copy of the old one? Because Time Machine does just that, and I’d really like to find the Windows equivalent.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by hiyer on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @11:19PM (#28624896)
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer to start from (nearly) scratch on a new machine as it gets rid of all the accumulated cruft. I use github + stow for my dotfiles, firefox sync for syncing browser history, bookmarks, etc and rclone + backblaze for backing up whatever is important enough. Beyond that, I don't care if I lose anything on the old machine.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by greggman3 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:31AM (#28625788)
Same. Every time I've tried copying stuff to a new machine via Time Machine the new machine feels unstable. There's so much stuff in ~/Library/Application Support type places that really shouldn't be copied so I just start the new machine empty and copy a few folders over (Documents, .ssh)
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by stjohnswarts on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:03AM (#28627580)
I don't like it but it does still feel good to start fresh. I do it in linux as well.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by diffeomorphism on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:15AM (#28625685)
Isn't that easily accomplished by storing a disk image? (e.g. clobezilla, ssd migration software, snapshots,...). For that the OS is completely irrelevant.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @08:16PM (#28623767)
There are two backup solutions on windows, 'windows 7 backup' (yes, wtf) allows you to make exact copy and clone it. There are also paid solution.

File history is for all your files, but it is amazing at it. You can roll back to a particular version from particular date

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by dep_b on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:01PM (#28621076)
> There's FLStudio (or Bitwig, or Reaper) to match Apple's Logic

Plenty arguments against Logic, but these three are not in the same league.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:43PM (#28621524)
For some workflows, Logic simply cannot do what Live or Bitwig or FLStudio do.

For other workflows, Reaper and Logic can do things that are essentially impossible in Live/Bitwig/FL Studio.

There's no best DAW for everyone, only best-DAW-for-the-workflow-you're-using-today. Sometimes that's Logic, sometimes it's not.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by Dracophoenix on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:47AM (#28626347)
Examples of what can't be done in Logic and what can?
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:32AM (#28629687)
Not in logic: follow actions for clip launching.

Not in live: logic's environment (you could do this in an M4L object, but not live itself)

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:43PM (#28624696)
Can't speak for the latter two but FL 20 absolutely steps up to Logic. And they keep adding stuff to it, for free. My license from like 2005 is still valid.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by phire on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:30PM (#28620697)
There is no windows for phones (anymore). If you aren't using an apple phone, you are pretty much forced to use google's android (or one of the various linux phones with little financial backing)

Windows/Android can be considered a natural pair, Microsoft seem to think so. Personally use Linux/Android pair, and I've been vaguely considering switching to an iphone to avoid Google.

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:31PM (#28620704)
Windows/iPhone isn't a bad pair either, provided you're not drinking the cloud services koolaid
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by schraeds on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:14PM (#28621170)
How do they integrate at all? Windows has ability to link to a android phone to view texts, place calls etc, but no such link exists for iPhones and Windows.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by phire on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:56PM (#28621026)
Or if you want to do any form of app development.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by tomc1985 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:13PM (#28621161)
If I ever wanted to get into iOS development I'd probably purchase a cheap Macbook Air for the bare minimum of stuff and use one of the multiplatform SDKs that can produce iOS builds alongside every other platform
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by beezischillin on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:35PM (#28622167)
My personal preference for a DAW is Studio One, it’s lovely. I like the efficient UI and it has all the features I ever wanted.

One of the sad ironies of my life is that once I switched to macOS and could’ve avoided all the annoyances and instabilities I’ve had with audio on Windows, I just never felt like making music again. Life is like that sometimes. :)

Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by dundercoder on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:31PM (#28620713)
+1 for Reaper. Fast and fantastic piece of software. I switched from ProTools and have never looked back.
Re:Leaving the Apple ecosystem behind by monkeyfacebag on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @03:16PM (#28620519)
Of course I agree with your point that there are many options when it comes to switching. I tried, but clearly failed, to imply this very point. For me, after consideration of my requirements and tolerances, Apple seemed like the best fit, but I wouldn’t suggest that it has any kind of broader implication for the state of various software ecosystems.

Suffice to say I think all of the software in your list is pretty great and I chose what I chose for reasons that are wholly mine!