I would too, but this is the same thing that anti-vaxxers are saying about the COVID vaccine

They hear about one pop star's cousin [1] in another country that had swollen testicles after his shot and that's someone that not only they can relate to, but even trust more that official sources because, hey, why would that star lie about it. While many are convinced that the government and health care industry in general has an ulterior motive.

It's a combination of disinformation and lack of critical thinking skills. I spent 2 hours on the phone with my brother one night, pointing out why his "sources" were not really authoritative sources - if you can't find the source of their data, don't trust it, "I know a guy who..." is not a "source". Not sure if that's what swayed him, but he got his first vaccination 2 weeks later. And it's a good thing he got it, he and his wife just recovered from COVID which they think their daughter brought home.

[1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-nicki-minaj-cov...

In fact, strike that. Only listen to the experts and believe in 'the science' when it aligns with my totally altruistic motives. No other incentives or motives exist. I am completely honest and have nothing to hide, but questioning my agenda is strictly out of bounds.

This extends to policies and prescriptions that have been in place for months or a year in other countries and working to positive effect, i.e. Ivermectin use in numerous countries to assist in fighting COVID (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/) or for instance most of Europe not locking down schools and requiring masks.

This information leads some to believe that a bias or, at worst, an agenda is applied to the science, discarding studies that don't fit the narrative of "the science."

Gives preferential treatment to certain companies that continuously fuck people over (hint: it's corruption): https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=2zoSSHx9QtA

Or that caves to teacher unions (I don't even...) https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cdc-tightened-masking-guide...

And the FDA? They still actually push the food pyramid. It's a total clown show over there.

Is there a for real reason to trust these government agencies at all at this point?

Why would a gov official lie about it? It’s way more plausible that the gov official is lying to control the masses than some pop star.

do you have any idea how the healthcare system in the USA works?

there isn't a history of marketing vaccines for profit

Maybe not vaccines, but plenty of pricing abuse by Pharmaceutical companies that make them seem like they'll do anything, even let people die, if they can earn more money. Insulin and epi-pens are two of the more well known ones.

Sigh. Your "HORSE dewormer" (thank you CNN) is one of the medications recommended by the CDC for refugees btw. I guess refugees are considered working horses, so your statement might not be false.

https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overse...

"All Middle Eastern, Asian, North African, Latin American, and Caribbean refugees should receive presumptive therapy with: ... Ivermectin, two doses 200 mcg/Kg orally once a day for 2 days before departure to the United States."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/horse-paste-ivermectin-flccc_...

There’s a YouTube video called “Ivermectin Horse Paste” that was published in January of this year and now has nearly 160,000 views. In it, a woman who goes by Self Sufficient Momma demonstrates how to portion out horse paste in order to make it a suitable dose for humans, depending on weight.

The fact that medical grade Ivermectin is prescribed for other ailments doesn't make it any less ludicrous that people are going to the feed store and buying tubes of horse Ivermectin to self-medicate for COVID at home.

All that said, buying an oral syringe with enough ivermectin to kill people with low body mass and trying to get your dose right is a horrible idea.

Don't forget that this is a country where people died from overdosing on aquarium chemicals because they thought the chloroquine on the label meant it would prevent COVID.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.

That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people.

“Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Health spokeswoman said in a statement Monday. They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the statement.

And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions.

You're spreading FUD man. These "upticks" you speak of are, in the case of one state, from 1 instance per year to 9. I guess its statistically a huge uptick, but, lets keep some perspective ey?

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

What you’re actually arguing without knowing is a position the CDC took to keep people from self dosing because the left media pushed the public into a mass panic. People overdosing on any drug, especially during a pandemic, is bad.

Plus the 98% fillers in horse dewormer of unspecified ingredients.

If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision.

Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+

It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients.

> If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision.

Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves.

> Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+

Tell me the long term risks of the vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine.

Since you seem to be expert in this, what human safe ingredients are used in the 98% of this paste that is not Ivermectin?

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-...

Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves.

It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies -- the lefties are telling them to get the vaccine. The best bet for someone without medical insurance is to get the free vaccine.

Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine

That's the great thing about quoting experts, I don't need credentials myself, I can just repeat the same expert advice:

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine"

I'd quote his credentials, but I suspect that you already know who he is.

As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none":

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-...

What makes Goepfert think that scientists won’t discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead?

There are several reasons.

    1. Vaccines are eliminated quickly
    2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all
    3. Our COVID vaccine experience during the past six months

> It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies

Read my statement again, the lefties are causing mass panic. You’re doing it now and telling people not to trust a drug.

> Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine

He lost trust the second he lied to control people. Only the left listens to him now.

> As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none"

Great, but not everybody is so careless with their life. And what you’re saying is you should have control over theirs for something we think may not happen.

I don't know if you'd bothered to read my posts, but I specifically said Horse Dewormer, but then you and others started defending Ivermectin.

But yeah, if you're trying to prevent or cure COVID, don't use Ivermectin, and there's scant evidence that it helps, and if you're worried about long term effects of something, then be worried about the long term effects of COVID.

no one is just making vaccines up for fun then trying to sell them

And even then, in those cases, the vast majority resolve on their own with minimal medical intervention. [2]

But hey, have a link to the CDC source of that presentation so you don’t have to go to that .win site anymore to find your sources. They’re pretty bad at sourcing information over there [3]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/

[3] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

In short, COVID-19 is not very dangerous for younger people. So much so that the vaccine appears to pose a greater health risk.

And of course they removed those with comorbidities, who are exactly the ones who are worse affected by covid than the vaccine.

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

“patriots.win” was a solid red flag.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

Context is everything, and the scientific community does not deem this concern catastrophic.

I invite you to visit that website (patriots…) if you want to see some spectacular bullshit.

Actually, that’s great idea. Someone should make an antidote for the “vaccines”. It would sell like gangbusters.

To be clear, I'm to the point where I think opening everything is okay. The people that wanted to be vaccinated are, and the people that aren't will get sick by their own choice.