Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by uberman on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:47PM
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I would actually rather pay an optional fee like this baked into my bill than have to leave 5 to 20 bucks cash a day on the night stand for maid service. I hate the USA tipping culture that allow businesses to get thier clients to directly pay their staff. In NYC my wife once made me pay the guy "helping me out of my taxi" $20 bucks
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Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by dustintrex on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:55PM
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Is it now normal to tip housekeeping $20 per day?! I've been leaving a few bucks per day.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by bin_bash on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:19AM
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People tip housekeeping?! I've probably stayed in a close to a thousand nights in hotels and honestly had no idea this was done.
I have left money on rare occasions when I left a mess that I wasn't able to clean up though.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by eptcyka on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:54PM
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Hey, tips are tax-free. I think this is mostly the reason why businesses encourage tipping. I think it's a collective failure of the electorate and the government that you end up in such a situation.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by robocat on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:19PM
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Tips are not tax-free in the US nor the UK — you are supposed to declare them and pay the tax yourself.
Sure, individuals often don’t pay tax on their tips, but blaming that on the government seems harsh.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by eptcyka on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:42AM
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Sure, as per the tax guidelines, tips are not tax free. I'm well aware of this. But business owners that may ask their customers for tips most definitely see this as a way to bargain with would-be employees that their miserably low wage will not be that bad as it's just a supplement to the mad stacks you will be making from tips. And they are not on the hook to pay this tax, the employees are. And if the tip is paid in cash, at least here in the UK, it's very hard for the tax authorities to actually determine that you are not paying the tax you should be paying. The materiality for anyone above the income tax threshold is way above what a normal tip would be and nobody's going to do multiple sting operations to test if a waiter is actually not paying tax.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by rags2riches on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:11AM
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I believe there are employer side taxes in both the US and UK, right? Even if tips would be reported and taxed as income buy the worker, they would still be cheaper because the customer paid no tax.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by larkost on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:17PM
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Where do you get this idea? In the US there is a line on the income tax form that explicitly asks for how much you earned in tips, and that is explicitly counted into your wages for income tax purposes.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by fredophile on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:17PM
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My stae also has a line on my taxes for me to declare and pay sales tax on anything I bought out of state that year. How many people do you think accurately fill that line out?
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by bombcar on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:29PM
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Tips are effectively tax free as reporting rates are abysmal.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by barbazoo on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:00PM
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How would this realistically be enforced though without there being a paper trail at all?
Kudos to those honorable people that do declare tips on their tax return though.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by mod on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:15PM
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There's a default rate (percentage) that gets used in the event of an audit, I believe.
If you are somewhere that tracks your individual sales, you'll get hit with this.
To be fair, the rate is pretty low and so almost everyone will still have a large percentage of their tips go untaxed.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by lampington on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:22PM
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How much tipping these days is cash vs card? I would imagine that cash tips are underreported on tax forms.
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by hirsin on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:18PM
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Credit tips are cashed out at the end of the day, generally speaking, so that the "credit tips" are offset by unreported "food cash payment" that sits in your pocket all night. (I believe it also relies on the business underreporting sales, but... Cash. Also likely hiring the wait staff under the table)
Re:UK hotels adding service charge to room rate
by techrat on Monday September 13, 2021 @08:58PM
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Tips are counted as pay, buddy. Legally if hourly rate + tips falls under minimum wage, the employer has to cover the difference. Either way, tips are income and thus taxed as such. No idea why you could ever expect that it's tax free.