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Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by FredPret on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @08:51AM (#28456256)
Be the change you want to see - this type of defeatism creates zero progress.

And there has been a lot of progress, those kids would have had to push carts up mine shafts in the previous era.

In the era before that, most of them would have died from hunger or some disease

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by throwaway34241 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:18AM (#28456530)
Not to mention in the era I grew up in (before social media), people had pretty much the exact same complaint, except it was TV rotting kids’ brains (of course, there can be truth to both, but I’m skeptical the present era is uniquely terrible - kids used to watch a lot of TV).

I don’t use TikTok, but I’ve heard anecdotes from users that it’s currently the least-terrible of the social media services, and this doesn’t sound totally implausible to me, given what the competition is.

It seems more productive to focus on the enriching activities that we want more of rather than trying eliminate distracting ones - there are so many of those it’s easy to imagine one distraction just being replaced with another.

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by tw04 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:29AM (#28456647)
>Not to mention in the era I grew up in (before social media), people had pretty much the exact same complaint, except it was TV rotting kids’ brains (of course, there can be truth to both, but I’m skeptical the present era is uniquely terrible - kids used to watch a lot of TV).

I grew up in the same era... and the solution to that was easy: my parents told me to go outside and play.

In 2021, their phone goes with them everywhere, and if it doesn't one of their friend's phones does. There's almost no way, short of helicopter parenting 24/7, that you can insulate your children from Tik Tok, and I'd argue it is far, far, far more harmful than TV. Random kids at school didn't attack me for the TV shows I watched privately in my own home in high school.

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by throwaway34241 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:54AM (#28457963)
Modern phones have parental controls that let you limit app usage, of course that doesn’t apply to friends’ phones, but if they are socializing in-person with friends close enough to lend their phone at least there’s some level of child development success there.

And phones are hardly the worst thing friends can get your kid into... I remember the main concern being alcohol or drugs, which I think have since declined (at least among youth).

I have to say I am not familiar with the attacks based on browsing history you speak of though. How/why does this happen? Are you forced to make it public?

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by JoeQuery on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:00AM (#28456344)
This comment of yours also creates zero progress, so what's your point? In fact it might be even more "harmful" because it implies we should just be okay with anything because in olden times things were worse.
Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by FredPret on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:35AM (#28456721)
It does not imply we should be OK with bad things today. It starts with the words "be the change you want to see".

Defeatism short-circuits one's ability to grow and serves as an excellent excuse to do nothing.

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by adventured on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:38AM (#28456755)
> those kids would have had to push carts up mine shafts in the previous era

No, most kids of the previous era never came within a million miles of pushing a mine cart up a shaft. We have very well documented historical records of what type of work young people were most commonly doing circa 1850-1950, mining was not one of the top activities (nor was any other type of very dangerous hard labor).

I don't much care about kids cloning lame faux dance routines on TikTok, I think it's mostly benign and unimportant. And it's definitely a temporary fad (these kids won't be spending lots of time learning and cloning lame dance routines in 10 second videos ten years from now). It's also exceptionally vapid. I grew up with MTV when it was becoming a thing, and it too was largely vapid garbage (although not entirely, as is true of TikTok), and it culturally melted away just as TikTok will recede with time, as the kids move on to something newer and cooler, as always happens.

The biggest shot against TikTok is that most of the young people on there aren't even producing their own content, they're directly copying other content and repeating it like brainless zombies. Maybe it's no worse than mediocre cultural cloning was in past decades, it's just considerably accelerated and pumped up in terms of projection / audience. It's nothing great to celebrate though, it's a high-fructose soda for the brain (which is why it's so addictive), an intravenous line of cheap validation for nacissists and young people with low self-esteem, not high quality sustenance. MTV didn't lead to an improved outcome for the generation reared on it, and TikTok won't either, there isn't actually much value being created with it. These types of platforms don't matter very much ultimately, in terms of consumption they're mostly just another way to pass the time for bored brains.

Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by pjc50 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:27AM (#28456629)
"Tiktok or working down the mine" is a terrible false dichotomy.
Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by FredPret on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:36AM (#28456731)
Saying that the point of my comment was to create a dichotomy is a false dichotomy. The point was clearly to illustrate that progress is possible
Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by imback on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:01AM (#28456354)
What? Don't use TikTok? Encourage kids to read a book? The train has passed on this one. Pretty sure it's considered child abuse in the lower 48 if your toddler doesn't have their own smart phone and a 24/7 internet connection. I'm only slightly exaggerating.
Re:ByteDance in talks with banks to borrow over $3B by throwaway2214 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:16AM (#28456519)
i dont know why this is downvoted

if you dont allow your children tiktok/insta/etc, they get completely excluded from their community.

a possibility is to move into a community that does not use social networks that much, so not using them is normalized, but sadly this is not easy in western europe (at least for me).