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Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by oxymoran on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:03AM (#28415188)
The problem with TikTok is that it promotes the silly and the stupid. At scale, that makes society silly and stupid.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by whymauri on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:16PM (#28416340)
The algorithm promotes what you want to see. If you're not interested in silly or stupid things, you can nudge the algorithm towards content you find engaging. It's kinda "one-size-fits-all", but yeah, the average user is looking for entertainment you'd probably classify as 'silly'.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by underwater on Saturday September 04, 2021 @06:32PM (#28419976)
Can you really train it to be healthier? It uses implicit signals to figure out what you like watching.

That's like having a machine that detects which foods you find tastiest, and starts serving you only those things.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by zahrc on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:20PM (#28420288)
Probably not. Don’t know much about TikTok, but if I click a link on YouTube, barely watching the video, my recommendations will be spammed with similar filth forever - and it seems to be pushing certain channels or types of videos.

Educated guess, as I’ve no idea how these things work - videos I’m more likely to share will be recommended, bringing controversial content to the top

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by Karunamon on Saturday September 04, 2021 @04:53PM (#28419086)
People have been saying the same thing about TV since its inception, and that has a larger scale than the internet. So far, Idiocracy remains a cynical comedy and not a documentary.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by Hoasi on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:32PM (#28419457)
> So far, Idiocracy remains a cynical comedy and not a documentary.

The jury is still out on that, even for the optimistic amongst us. Current events/culture/elections/social commentary beg to disagree...

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by smegger001 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:50PM (#28421494)
hey President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho of Idiocracy at least tried to hire the best minds available and took their advice. that is far and away better than we have had for a long time

https://stephenaroth.wordpress.com/2018/03/05/five-reasons-w...

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by sva_ on Saturday September 04, 2021 @06:32PM (#28419982)
I think there's also an effect that when some trend is new, it seems overwhelming, but people tend to get used to it and cultivate a natural defense to whatever new bullshit came around, and push against it. So there's some kind of societal immune response to it. Like waves of the ocean that came suddenly but slowly recede. At least that's my hope with some of the stuff going on nowadays - but part of it will probably always be around.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by mensetmanusman on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:37PM (#28420994)
And sociological surveys seem to agree that the TV intro did make people stupider on average.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by StanislavPetrov on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:39PM (#28419526)
>So far, Idiocracy remains a cynical comedy and not a documentary.

Many of us hold the opposite opinion.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by zdragnar on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:30PM (#28421429)
Idiocracy was fine for entertainment, but if you are looking for a moral, it is pure elitist garbage.

The basic premise that intelligence is purely driven by genes and that only dumb people will be left is practically hateful.

Given the current demographics related to birth rates, calling idiocracy a documentary is blatantly racist and classist.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:10AM (#28452929)
>Given the current demographics related to birth rates, calling idiocracy a documentary is blatantly racist and classist.

Ironically, low intelligence people calling reality racist just serves to prove my point.

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Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by zdragnar on Sunday September 05, 2021 @12:34AM (#28421659)
The only group in the US with a lower birthrate than white people are asians, as a group, though with a lot of variance by subgroup.

Worldwide, white people are at the bottom, excepting China due to the one child policy. Even in China, minority groups in rural locations were allowed more than one.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by imwillofficial on Sunday September 05, 2021 @12:44AM (#28421697)
The part of the movie people called prophetic is not the ethnic groups of the highest breeding populations in the movie.

It is the steady decline of IQ, moral decay, and increasing shallowness of experience and atomization of society.

All of which is clearly more severe than when the movie was released.

None of which makes any implicit commentary on race, no matter what mechanism actually brought about above stated societal decline.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by zdragnar on Sunday September 05, 2021 @02:20AM (#28422001)
There are dozens of better choices to use for the sake of comparison if you want to say that you find the majority of people to be far beneath your brilliance and virtue.

The decay of civilization in idiocracy was directly and exclusively due to two things:

- intelligence is genetic

- smart people bred themselves out of the gene pool

I have literally heard people be chastised when they tell others they chose not to have kids, because have you seen idiocracy?

The basic premise of the movie is so fundamentally flawed it is beyond offensive.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by imwillofficial on Sunday September 05, 2021 @01:20PM (#28425917)
IQ is largely genetic. Studies have shown this for decades.

If you find our current understanding of reality offensive, that sounds like wonderful motivation to do a study of your own.

It must be sad to have so little sense of humor you get offended at the movie that features president commacho

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by imwillofficial on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:23PM (#28462550)
So if the movie had used hill-billy black people for their fast breeders in the movie, would you have been cool with that?
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by dang on Sunday September 05, 2021 @02:03AM (#28421950)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28415092.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by bsksi on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:21AM (#28415334)
That's a problem with social networks at large. At least before the stupid or degenerate were ashamed of themselves. Now everybody can find a circus of freaks to belong to, which makes them believe their behaviour to be appropriate.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by derefr on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:27AM (#28415403)
No, just unmoderated social networks. One of the longest-running types of “social network” (going for centuries now!) is the academic journal—but those have the explicit goal of sanity cross-checking anything submitted to them before allowing it in, so they result in something else being promoted.

(I don’t want to say it's “good, rational discourse” that journals promote, because that doesn’t seem to be exactly what comes out of journals; they do have their own incentive structures that bias "the conversation" in specific directions, even besides the ones that are extrinsically imposed upon them by academic hierarchy.)

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by runawaybottle on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:52AM (#28415634)
I think it’s a matter of time before the copy-cat stuff is going to get us one of those weird Japanese suicide pacts. They are already starting with the new crate challenge (which is dangerous as fuck).

https://youtu.be/4bFK6EBz8VY

I saw kids doing this on concrete recently. On concrete.

Tiktok is literally an at-scale sorority/fraternity, which means people are taking part in an at-scale hazing ritual - to fit in. The problem with this is the same problem that arises if you are 20 and watch Sesame Street every day still. There’s a time and place for this behavior and we are not setting any cut offs for when it’s time to stop the nonsense.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by XorNot on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:52AM (#28416153)
People already died from planking. And tide pods. People have been ongoingly dying from drinking bleach. People dying due to social trends isn't new though: perhaps more notable is that it's easier to know it's happening in an age of instant global communication, and since we all have quick and easy access to all the knowledge needed to avoid these entirely preventable outcomes.

The milk crate challenge on concrete is hardly different to any other dangerous behavior engaged in by (principally) young men: i.e. what's the difference really between this and say, street racing? Which has been a thing pretty much since car's became affordable to 20 year olds.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by runawaybottle on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:07PM (#28416274)
There is a voyeurism here. At risk of entering extreme levels of armchair psychology, it’s the bystander effect at scale.

You are free to Google milk-crate challenge death and see for yourself (how guilty am I for the thing that I condemn). They fall on their necks.

I certainly don’t have the answer, but this can’t be normalized, and sadly I think we are just at the beginning.

Kids abusing the medical system, disrespecting a disease, walking on shaky crates six feet off the ground. It’s hard for me to say it’s kids being kids, or the weak in natural selection being handled. Something is up.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by kevinmchugh on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:46PM (#28416630)
You can also Google "jackass copy cat deaths" for an earlier example of kids getting themselves killed doing obviously dangerous activities
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by mlang23 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:24PM (#28420319)
But it is really specific to TikTok?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selfie-related_injurie...

People are not robots. Horrible mishabs happen. But 50 years ago, nobody was doing a global list of these. They ended up being a village story. We need to educate the young to make sensible decisions. It doesnt really matter if TikTok, FB, the foobar challenge, or something else is the current culprit. The world is full of crazy things. People need to navigate that anyway.

Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by numpad0 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:22PM (#28419368)
TikTok is heavily moderated, just algorithmically and not in a generally favorable direction.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by krustyburger on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:26AM (#28415395)
I’m not sure Linkedin has quite the same effect on people that Tiktok seems to. Certain social networks have a culture of amplifying drivel.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by junon on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:33AM (#28415479)
Have you seen LinkedIn recently? It's all of the Facebook garbage just moved to a new home. Most of the content on there has little to nothing to do with the professional world.
Re:Many young people diagnosed with Tourette’s after watchin... by lobocinza on Saturday September 04, 2021 @11:18PM (#28421374)
It's filled with fake stories of hard-work and leadership.