Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by RHSeeger on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:55AM
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It's more complex than that, though. If you're meeting with people outside your company, your title can influence how they see you. If you're meeting with a bunch of "Director" level people and you're a "Senior", they may treat you as a lesser member of the group. This can be impactful to your ability to accomplish your goals within that group at times.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by kodah on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @08:03PM
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That may be true, but definitely not in my experience. I have included my job historically on emails eg: Software Engineer but never my level. I don't even put that on internal emails because I see it as my business and no one else's. This includes when I worked side by side with sales folks from time to time at a start up. If you didn't feel like working with me if I was a SWE I but you feel like it with a Principal, why would I want to work with you?
People do care that someone will show up and answer all their questions in a thorough and non-elitist (read: talking over people's heads) way.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by RHSeeger on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @08:46PM
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I think your experience is fairly characteristic of software developers. However, there's a lot of other segments out there where title comes into play a lot heavier; where it caries weight in the same way experience does.
It's probably also worth noting that title can impact pay when it comes to a job; a lot of companies have pay caps based on title.
Really, my point was that title is more than just self-gratification.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by pedrosorio on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:52AM
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> Reminds me of American Psycho, where everybody is a damn Vice President (reflective of the time)
Reflective of the industry, really. It’s still that way in banking.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by bluGill on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @12:11PM
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Vice President has legal meaning as a title. Only a vice president or above can make some loans. Since banks make those loans all the time they need a lot of vice presidents to do it. In a small town bank with at most 10 people it makes sense, but for a large banks with branches all over the country you end up with a ton of vice presidents just for that need, but they don't really get any other authority.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by pm90 on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @08:43PM
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Interesting. I always wondered why Senior level engineers at banks got the VP title. It seemed odd for someone formerly an IC to suddenly step into a VP level role, but this makes sense now.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by rpmisms on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:03PM
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My Father-in-law is a VP at a banking firm, he's just a senior engineer, but he does handle plenty of financials. Makes total sense why he's a VP.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by ledauphin on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @09:59PM
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but does it? are these software engineers actually making loans?
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by lmm on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:16PM
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No, but there are people at that level in the company who need to sign those contracts (I don't think it's loans specifically), and it's easiest to use a consistent title for everyone at that level.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by InitialLastName on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @10:54AM
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> Reminds me of American Psycho, where everybody is a damn Vice President (reflective of the time)
My understanding was that this still happens as a way to get around corporate card policies (either from the company or the credit company) that prevent anyone with a lower-than-leadership title from having signature power for purchasing. Want to give someone a corporate card so they can buy their own necessities? Give them a VP title.
Re:The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
by pram on Wednesday September 01, 2021 @11:03AM
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I’m not sure that’s true, I had a company credit card when I worked at Oracle and I was just a grunt sys-admin.
Reminds me of American Psycho, where everybody is a damn Vice President (reflective of the time)