> I never though I would see the day where internet services would do something worse than TV.

Don’t blame YouTube for this.

It’s not YouTube making the decision to require ID or credit card. They’re complying with the regulations. That’s why this restriction is only in a single regulatory region, not a global requirement.

There’s a culture war brewing around internet services with user-generated content, including YouTube. One side wants more freedom to view and share content. One side wants much more censorship of anything they don’t want to see (or, more commonly, things they don’t want other people to see). This ranges from dangerous misinformation to low-grade objectionable content like video game screen recordings.

The strangest part about this internet user-generated content war is that many people have taken both sides because they just like to hate big tech platforms.

But the censorship is global. I see it in France, even if there is no legal reason for it. I've seen plenty of male dicks or female breast on old french movies as a kid, it was not considered immoral.

Also I don't recall my TV requesting my credit card to watch content as a kid.

The EU is where the legal requirement is.

YouTube isn't asking for this in other territories.

I've seen screenshots from Russian youtube where advertisers bypassed automatic moderation by confusing Google's image recognition and substituting letters in words.

For example, https://twitter.com/wylsacom/status/1296396951550930949 (NSFW)

But I guess this is totally fine because it earns Google money in the end.

Those rules are all due to legal settlements with the government anyway; in the event an alternative did pop up they'd end up having to do the same or very similar things once they're big enough to attract regulatory attention.

Yeah, as long as it's legal to show exploding heads to children, but a crime to display a nipple, things are never going to be sane.

Legal in the US that's said. Because we get the censorship in our countries too even if the law is different.

The situation has luckily gotten a bit better during the last years. I see LBRY and Floatplane slowly, but steadily picking up momentum.

So far the breadth of content on Youtube is unparalleled, but there is some hope that may change.

Maybe Twitch will eventually get more into hosting video, but I wouldn’t exactly say they’re much better.

Odysee (LBRY) is a pretty good alternative and has a good UI plus variety of content. What's floatplane?

A video subscription service created by Linus Media Group (LinusTechTips). Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos.

> Creators put their content ad-free on Floatplane, but can also put it other places (such as YouTube, and with ads). The users pay for the ad-free videos

So just like Nebula? It'd have been better if all the fleeing YouTubers had centralised on one alternative service, most people won't bother for multiple subscriptions.

Honestly, Linus is a seal of trust by itself at this point, so if they manage to keep up, they may gain traction.

Can you explain why you think Linus/LMG/Floatplane's service is more trustworthy than YouTube? I do not share that opinion.

My starting position is that he is guided by business pressures not terribly different from YouTube's, from the following anecdata:

I understand Linus started Floatplane because his business relies on YouTube, a single point of failure

With PIA/Kape, he left whether or not to accept advertising dollars up to a user vote in YouTube's chat. It came out tied at first, and then he went to the Floatplane stream to break the tie, which ended in favor of accepting PIA advertising

In live streams he has spoken somewhat negatively about "free speech" advocates

I think Floatplane will simply go where the dollars go in the long run, and I see little in the way of moral conviction that they would e.g. fight government regulations or payment processor demands.

Agreed. Their terms of service is basically the same as YouTube. Just seems like a cash cow for him.

Ah, thanks for replying. I do trust him so hoping he can do well with the platform.

Edit: floatplane's TOS seems like they aren't any better than YouTube unfortunately.

Can you tell us more?

Floatplane is a youtube alt Subscription based service started by linus tech tips guys.

> Last month, a french youtuber was required to put pixels on a doom 1 screenshot. Pixels on pixels.

if it was JDG's video on Duke Nukem [0], it was to put pixels on the strippers of Duke Nukem 3D, so not exactly the same thing.

I really liked his follow up video [1], where another issue was how hard it was to deal with the YT content moderation team

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-or4WhpXx_k (non-censored) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fG-8jPsRw (censored)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-Tk0N8XzA

You are right. Here is the image I'm talking about:

https://i.imgur.com/oXAGiiU.png

Protect the children people!

The part where he is asked to censor an arm is also hilarious.

So because they pay you and force to play by their rules it doesn't mean that you have to accept it. Just don't use it. Platform die eventually.

Big companies getting bigger (the effect of scale) is the cornerstone of my NASDAQ portfolio.

I don't like it, but I don't really expect it change.

Well that is the problem though...back in the day YouTube was a fun place where people exchanged ideas, discussed their hobbies and so on. It wasn't about money at all. These days 99% of people on YouTube are only trying to grow their channel to make money off it like that is the only motivation to do anything in life. Money just corrupts everything it touches.

FTP was great.