Can I buy a Time Capsule to have iOS Backup then? There are 1B iPhone user, not everyone has a computer for Backup.

No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party can read all of the messages that you sent them. There is no 'true privacy'

> No, because if the party you're messaging has iCloud backup on (a good chance), or is on Android, or has their device physically accessed somehow- a third party can read all of the messages that you sent them. There is no 'true privacy'

This is surely true no matter how strong the encryption scheme, though. If you share your content with anyone else, then your security is only as strong as theirs.

Messages are not stored in iCloud Backup by default.

You have to explicitly enable it.

They are actually. iCloud backup stores the messages by default. If you go and set Messages to use iCloud sync, then they're synced end to end encrypted. Apple then removes the messages from the iCloud backup, and instead stores a backup of the end to end encryption key for Messages. If you want your messages to be truly inaccessible to Apple / agencies with warrants (and also unrecoverable after losing end to end encryption access), then you have to turn off iCloud backup.

Apple's documentation needs to be a little clearer on this but the system is basically designed with the accurate notion that the biggest footgun for 90% of users is not "the government was able to access my messages with a warrant" but rather "I lost access to my end to end encrypted messages".

What does Android have to do with anything?

Your messages delivered as standard unencrypted sms/mms instead of encrypted imessages.

What do you define as "standard" on Android when fragmentation is literally the defining point of Android?

Bit of a broad stroke anyway.

Not sure if you're referring to iCloud [device] backup or all iCloud services.

If it's the latter then yes, you can (almost) always choose not to use a service or website. That's a poor argument to defend bad privacy practices.

If it's the former then just disabling iCloud backup does not result in E2E storage of other iCloud data. iCloud photos, drive, etc. are still not E2E.