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Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday August 28, 2021 @11:44AM (#28338946)
So, on the assumption that this might start happening before it gets outlawed: Anyone know what queries my bot should be plugging into search engines to game this particular system? Shouldn't be too hard to have a machine ask Google 3000 times a day "what to do when you're super rich and deserve unlimited credit", right?
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by prepend on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:19PM (#28339241)
I did Google “how to invest $2 million” a few times from different devices to see how it would change my search history.

It’s hard to tell systematically but my YouTube ads became super douschey. And my iheartradio ads and Spotify ads were also related.

Is there a site of funny search poisoning? Or a practical joke set of how many times you have to search “domestic abuse defense attorney” a friend’s phone to surprise them?

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by jobigoud on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:08PM (#28340133)
There once was a website called ruinmysearchhistory.com that would open a new tab and launch many Google searches on unsavory terms.

The original list of terms can still be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/4nc763...

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by bombadilo on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:08PM (#28340127)
Do you have adblockers or did you turn them off for this experiment? I would assume most people on HN have adblockers and other browser ad ons to prevent the malicious tracking that so many companies are hell bent on using. It's an anomaly for me to see any ads on my devices.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by prepend on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:40PM (#28342174)
I used chrome with no adblockers. I only use chrome for Google sites so I don’t bother with adblockers.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by bobthepanda on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:52PM (#28339486)
presumably, the people who seriously have $2M to invest are not just googling how to do it, so you may just be getting the set of ads for the people likely to actually put that in Google

as far as practical jokes go, it would probably be a lot easier to sign up someone to an unsavory email list.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by laurent92 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:30PM (#28341685)
> presumably, the people who seriously have $2M to invest are not just googling how to do it

If I sell my startup in a few years, it would be worth 4-10m$, and I wonder what I might do with the money. I find it funny that you dismiss the idea of not knowing how to invest millions of dollars, but when you’ve worked all your life, you don’t have time to build a network of people who can receive your investment, and you’re not used to actually having this money outside of the startup vehicle. And given 86% of billionaires of this generation are first-generation, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the same for millionaires. I keep hearing stories of:

- Youtubers,

- Startup founded,

- Dropshipping, but not dropshippers, just people who sell services to gullible get-rich-quick dropshippers.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by dheera on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:45PM (#28341787)
Most people that have that problem don't Google "How to invest $X million", they google for things like "best clean energy stocks" or "best index funds" or "should i buy Ethereum or Bitcoin" or "bay area financial advisors" or "angel investing getting started" etc.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by bobthepanda on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:27PM (#28342069)
Yeah, I'm not saying that people who come into money are investing geniuses, but you will lose your money pretty quickly if you type in how much money you have into Google and click the first link promising a get even richer scheme.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by dorkwood on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:15PM (#28341994)
If you get $10m aren't you, like, finished? You escaped the game. It's over. Why does investing matter anymore?
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by roenxi on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:49PM (#28342622)
Nah, it takes a lot of attention to keep $10 million under control. Unless you want to risk running out suddenly.

Having $10 mil in a bank account somewhere is pointless. No matter what philosophy you want to apply choices must be made. Investment, consumption or hedonism. The money will quickly vanish (decade or two) if the balance is wrong or the millionaire goes all-in on indexing at the peak of some bubble.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by meristohm on Saturday August 28, 2021 @10:24PM (#28343529)
Investment, consumption, and hedonism: unless you have a broad sense of “investment”, aren’t all of those selfish?

I suppose my valuing the health of an ecosystem of other lives is selfish, too. I’m writing to push for a broader sense of what it means to invest, as in increasing the carbon content of soil for the health of future life, and promoting regulation towards cleaner air and water.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by roenxi on Saturday August 28, 2021 @11:50PM (#28343933)
Giving money away to worthy causes is pretty easy. But FYI I'd class that under my broad definition of hedonism. In Xanadu did Kubla Khan .... and all that.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by dimnsionofsound on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:18PM (#28342014)
So that your escape money doesn’t get eaten away by inflation. You could put it in a low-ish risk portfolio composed of some bonds, indexes, etc so that it continues to make some amount of money.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by fortran77 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:37PM (#28342141)
Taxes and inflation will kill you.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by himlion on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:22PM (#28342042)
Crypto traders are an exception to this, they'll just keep it invested in crypto :)
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:02PM (#28340076)
It might not be that focused; ~nobody with $2MM asks Google for investment advice, but "how to invest" and "how to invest to make millions" are searches worth targeting (and would match that search).
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by ljm on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:45PM (#28340425)
Rumour has it that Jeff Bezos AltaVista'd how to make 180 billion dollars before getting the idea to start Amazon.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by laurent92 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:22PM (#28341601)
What response did it give? Where does the anecdote come from?
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by derac on Saturday August 28, 2021 @09:57PM (#28343393)
it's a joke
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by amelius on Saturday August 28, 2021 @07:18PM (#28342429)
I always thought he was doing it for ideological reasons.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by akomtu on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:15PM (#28340197)
Asking how to invest 2M probably means the "investor" has won money in a lottery and can be lured into "investing" them back into a casino.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by prepend on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:58PM (#28339530)
> unsavory email list.

Of course that too. It’s not exclusive with search poisoning.

> $2million

It seems that way in that it’s either stupid advertisers that think rich people Google that. Or people thinking there’s a mindset of get rich quick, crypto scams who Google that.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by bobthepanda on Saturday August 28, 2021 @01:10PM (#28339633)
> It’s not exclusive with search poisoning.

Not to say that it is, but email lists being sold around is table stakes for advertising and search, so that might be faster and easier than trying to change ad results via search queries.

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by biren34 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @06:42PM (#28342184)
Back in high school (pre-internet), we'd sign up a particular friend every time we saw one of the information collection boxes for 24 hour fitness.

He could never figure out why they just wouldn't stop calling him

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by CamperBob2 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:02PM (#28341463)
Try Googling mesothelioma symptoms if you want to see how deep this particular rabbit hole goes (and cost some ambulance-chasing law firms some money while you're at it.)
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by lmkg on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:53PM (#28340493)
20th-Century advice: "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."

21st-Century advice: "Google for the problems you want, not the problems you have."

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by edu on Saturday August 28, 2021 @02:08PM (#28340126)
A couple of years ago Mozilla built a tool to trick trackers into believing you have a certain profile (rich, among others).

It worked by opening 100s of tabs but I don’t remember if it issued any query to Google.

The tool is Track This: https://trackthis.link/

Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by bserge on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:09PM (#28339146)
It might be harder than it seems, Google is incredibly AIcist. I hit their threshold manually sometimes (it's like a dozen or so queries per minute) :D
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by tpmx on Saturday August 28, 2021 @12:17PM (#28339215)
Those "we have detected unusual traffic" messages after unusually heavy (hey, we're not all average in our usage patterns) but very human usage are kinda evil. I wasted so much time wiping the machine and reinstalling the OS etc after getting paranoid that I had some undetectable kind of malware before I caught on.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by londons_explore on Saturday August 28, 2021 @01:37PM (#28339865)
It usually means you're behind carrier grade nat or some other shared IP and someone else is running a bot.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by matsemann on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:05PM (#28341495)
Nah, happens quite often when Google refuses to serve the results you're asking for (ignoring a keyword, using something it believes is a synonym but is actually not in this context etc.), and one therefore do many successive almost identical searches with small tweaks.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by tpmx on Saturday August 28, 2021 @01:53PM (#28340006)
I wasn't behind CGNAT. Had a dedicated public ipv4 ip. I was just using google a lot, sometimes.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by londons_explore on Saturday August 28, 2021 @04:00PM (#28341024)
Google does bot detection on a /24 basis. So you were still sharing with 253 other households most likely.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by tpmx on Saturday August 28, 2021 @04:18PM (#28341160)
That would be idiotic. I don't think Googlers are idiots.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday August 28, 2021 @11:44PM (#28343895)
Of course they're not idiots. They're googlers, which means they have a very specific worldview and a work environment that focuses their perception of the universe into a very specific way of looking at things, where "scale" is both the cause and solution to all problems and of course attackers use whole subnets at a time and need to be shadowbanned appropriately.
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by Ekaros on Saturday August 28, 2021 @05:35PM (#28341732)
Yeah, I have seen that as well... Usually when I try to actually find something and start tuning my query. Don't know if when you start building complex queries does it just get heavy and they have some threshold after which it doesn't make money anymore for them. So they block you...
Re:EU agency advises against using search and browsing histo... by 908B64B197 on Saturday August 28, 2021 @01:04PM (#28339581)
Other than the ethical concerns, that's why I wouldn't bother with searching the users search queries.