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Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by PragmaticPulp on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:02AM (#28326722)
The NFT game is all about making your NFTs look unique and noteworthy, with as much fanfare and publicity as possible. That’s because the only way to make money from an NFT is by flipping it to someone else, who thinks they can flip it to someone else, and so on. Having a 12-year old kid get hundreds of thousands of dollars for blockchain receipts of whales is a great way to get headlines, but I'd be cautious about taking this story at face value.

The more noteworthy you can make your NFT, the more you can convince people that they might be able to make some profit by flipping it, meaning the more you can sell it for.

The high prices are a known gimmick for grabbing headlines. “Useless NFT sells for $100,000” is (or was) a sure-fire way to get your NFT into the headlines. The trick was that you could actually bootstrap these high prices yourself without actually spending the money. If you have $100,000 in ETH sitting around, you didn’t have much to lose by using it to “buy” an NFT from yourself in a transaction with yourself. You keep the money, you keep the NFT, but now you’ve generated a public record of the NFT having sold for $100,000, and now you can claim to hold an extremely valuable NFT. After all, the record is on the public blockchain! No one can deny it “sold” for that high price.

Maybe this kid actually lucked into a trading fad where crypto-rich individuals had so much extra money that they didn’t care about tossing hundreds of thousands of dollars to a kid in exchange for a virtual blockchain receipt for the lulz. Or maybe they think they can use these headlines to further flip the NFTs at a profit to someone else.

But whenever you see a headline like this, it’s important to remember the possibility that maybe nothing actually changed hands at this price at all. If this kids’ dad (who works in finance) wanted to generate headlines hopes of flipping NFTs to someone else, what better way to do it than by getting headlines about your 12-year old making hundreds of thousands of dollars? All he needs to do is “buy” those NFTs with crypto funds, keeping the crypto funds in the family, and then start contacting news reporters about these miraculous, high value NFTs that they should totally write about in every outlet so that hopefully someone else will buy them for an even higher price. Come tax time, you can always argue that you never actually sold anything because you control both wallets, so there wasn’t any profit to be taxed.

You’re only out the transaction fees, so you can buy headlines like this for tens of dollars.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by rualca on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:16AM (#28326819)
> The high prices are a known gimmick for grabbing headlines. “Useless NFT sells for $100,000” is (or was) a sure-fire way to get your NFT into the headlines. The trick was that you could actually bootstrap these high prices yourself without actually spending the money. If you have $100,000 in ETH sitting around, you didn’t have much to lose by using it to “buy” an NFT from yourself in a transaction with yourself.

Sounds like the problem is how these transactions escape any sales tax, thus these gimmicks and other forms of money laundering simply have zero cost or oversight.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by CarelessExpert on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:48AM (#28327768)
> The NFT game is all about making your NFTs look unique and noteworthy, with as much fanfare and publicity as possible. That’s because the only way to make money from an NFT is by flipping it to someone else, who thinks they can flip it to someone else, and so on.

Truly it's the purest form of Keynesian beauty context imaginable, and everyone who's participating hopes they won't be the greater fool.

Honestly, NFTs will make it into economic textbooks, assuming they haven't already. They've become these wonderfully pure little natural experiments in economic theory, and it's fascinating (and horrifying) watching them play out.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by rchaud on Friday August 27, 2021 @11:15AM (#28328918)
I never saw Beanie Babies in my economics textbooks, yet they were a physical product with limited supply, that people exchanged for sometimes large sums of money on the basis of its rarity and collectible value.

NFTs aren't even that. They're basically a mass-produced print with some unknown artist's signature. And unlike autographed mementos, NFTs require a ridiculous amount of electricity to generate each additional signature.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by SideburnsOfDoom on Saturday August 28, 2021 @04:20AM (#28336494)
> yet they were a physical product with limited supply, that people exchanged for sometimes large sums of money on the basis of its rarity and collectible value.

Were. As in, now they aren't. Because there's not any real value there.

Perhaps this kind of bubble / craze should be in economics textbooks - one that covers social and historic factors of failure. Probably Beanie Babies will be dealt with in the preamble on the section of Cryptocurrency, as a foreshadowing. And after the chapter on the Albanian ponzis and Civil War in 1997.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by CarelessExpert on Friday August 27, 2021 @11:49AM (#28329326)
The reason I expect it'll land in economics textbooks is that the snake oil of the blockchain has provided a very pure marketplace for these bubbles to form, including a complete and visible transaction record. That provides a level of rich data in the context of a natural experiment that researchers normally can only dream about.
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by asdfasgasdgasdg on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:16AM (#28326818)
That would be fraud, though, right? And probably some kind of securities crime into the bargain?
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by lotsofpulp on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:22AM (#28326879)
Who was defrauded? “Journalists” and “journalism” websites want clickbait.

The whole purpose is to give the “journalist” just enough plausible deniability to write a clickbait headline, which benefits CNBC/BBC and the person selling within their family.

As far as I know, misleading “news” is not illegal.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by MD87 on Friday August 27, 2021 @11:30AM (#28329095)
No-one needs to be defrauded to make out an offence of Fraud in the UK.

"Fraud by false representation" happens when someone dishonestly makes a false representation with the intent to make a gain for themselves or another. Making up a news story to flip NFTs would almost certainly amount to a crime of fraud by false representation.

Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by em-bee on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:33AM (#28327599)
it's fake news
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by klipt on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:29AM (#28326951)
Yes it's called Painting the Tape and is illegal in the US and prohibited by the SEC: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/paintingthetape.asp
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by alex_c on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:43AM (#28327070)
Does this apply to cryptocurrencies?
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by em-bee on Friday August 27, 2021 @09:36AM (#28327630)
most cryptocurrencies are considered securities, so yes. but this is an NFT. not sure where things stand there, but if they are being traded like currencies, then my bet is on NFTs being securities too.
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by woleium on Friday August 27, 2021 @01:24PM (#28330543)
not yet
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday August 27, 2021 @08:21AM (#28326873)
You say that like the finance world would never commit fraud or securities crime, even when given an unregulated market to work with.
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by asdfasgasdgasdg on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:11PM (#28329567)
I don't know how I "said that like" anything. I was just expressing curiosity about the legality of the described behavior.
Re:Twelve-year-old boy makes £290k from whale NFTs by woleium on Friday August 27, 2021 @01:23PM (#28330535)
this is called wash trading