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Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by habibur on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:26PM (#28292089)
We need to revive the ad free, commercial interest free Internet of the 90s. It will be small in size, but so was the internet back then.

Someone should come up with a pub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by fsiefken on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @03:30PM (#28293723)
gemini https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

fediverse: mastodon, pleroma, pixelfed

indieweb: https://indieweb.org/

twtxt: https://indieweb.org/twtxt

scuttlebutt https://scuttlebutt.nz/

hypercore https://hypercore-protocol.org/ (see iris.to for an implementation)

https://quitsocialmedia.club/solutions

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by kmstout on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @10:06PM (#28297320)
Also, hit up a bulletin board or two: https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/?step=name&all=0
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by richardfey on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:17AM (#28298277)
On the IM side there's also https://delta.chat/en/
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by p4bl0 on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @04:20PM (#28294440)
I would add RetroShare to the list.
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by hk__2 on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @04:06PM (#28294230)
> We need to revive the ad free, commercial interest free Internet of the 90s. It will be small in size, but so was the internet back then.

It still exists, it’s just harder and harder to find. For example, most of the tech blogs you see on HN are hosted on personal websites with no ads.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by smhenderson on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:43PM (#28292384)
pub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work

It's called NNTP

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @04:12PM (#28294330)
Usenet died of its own inability to handle scaling issues, ranging from culture and posting conventions to various forms of abuse and criminality.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3c3xyu/why_use...

Attempting to resurrect Usenet at any scale simply won't work. Even with a lessons-learned set of improvements (Usenet II), it went nowhere.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by Semiapies on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:29PM (#28295233)
The culture issue alone is a killer.

People say they want the old early-90s internet, but that internet only worked that way because almost nobody outside of universities was on it and nothing on it actually mattered to anybody.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:40PM (#28295341)
Yep.

It took me way too long to find the usage numbers (which ironically were within an arm's reach on my bookshelf most of the time), but ~1988 Usenet was under 1 million potential users, and fewer than 150,000 active readers. Even by the mid-1990s, it was under 1 million active participants.

Google+ was considered a failed social network with at least 10--100 million active users (by my own conservative estimates based on sampled profile data, independently verified by a much larger analysis). Facebook has 3 billion MAUs (monthly active users).

Until ~1992 (the Eternal September), Usenet users were largely represented as cohorts of a few hundred to low thousands, each subject to the disciplinary authority of university network administrators. Privileges could be and were revoked. Netadmins had a hardcopy directory in which everyone's number was listed twice (forward and reverse search). They talked to each other.

I'm active on Diaspora (for over a decade) and Mastodon (for about five years now). Both are far smaller than their comparable commercial equivalents (FB and Twitter, respectively). Each already strains under abuse, spam, and propaganda efforts, though Mastodon seems to have a more robust containment toolkit. Much resembles the old Usenet model: individual instance administrators can determine what users (locally or remotely) or instances (remote federation) can interact, and to what extent. It's high-touch, and has issues, but at present scale it mostly works. (Not perfectly, but it's not completely blown up yet either.)

Diaspora ... seems on far shakier grounds. User controls, admin engagement, reporting tools, and the culture of active management are all far weaker. The saving grace is the lack of algorithmic amplification, but bad actors are a distinct presence, if largely walled off into their own small, sad world.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by ipaddr on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:39PM (#28297189)
On the google+ 99.99% if offered would gladly take google+ for free. It was a huge success.

Google closed it down because they realize they never needed it. You were rarely providing new information to google because you already had an account and they already were tracking you everywhere. Your posts on other social networking sites google knows about and uses. What sites you visit google knows about.

The only thing google+ gives google is your social graph. But not your friends/family social graph more of your professional social graph. I don't think there was a way to target that info through ads into more profit. They probably leveraged access to facebook's data for ads in exchange for shutting it down.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:45AM (#28303105)
Google+ literally had billions of registered profiles. Somewhat fewer than 99.99% actively used the site.

I sampled a random selection of ~50,000 profiles to find out how many were actually actively using the site.

9% of all profiles had ever posted anything at all to the site. This is somewhat fewer that 99.99%.

And only 0.016% of all G+ profiles had posted publicly in the first 18 days of 2015, when I performed my sampling.

https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/naya9wqdemiovuvwvoyquq

And again, you're talking to the guy who ran that experiment.

Eric Enge of (then) Stone Temple Consulting independently replicated my analysis using a much larger sample of 500,000 profiles, confirming the results I'd found and providing additional details:

https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/04/14/real-numbers-for-the...

I had absolutely no idea Enge was doing this until he published his results. They're a completely independent validation. Which is how science is supposed to work.

Your other comments about G+ are at best speculation, and largely fail to match my knowledge and understanding of the site and service.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by richardfey on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:21AM (#28298291)
> Your posts on other social networking sites google knows about and uses.

Source?

> They probably leveraged access to facebook's data for ads in exchange for shutting it down.

Speculation?

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by dragontamer on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:57PM (#28292582)
More commonly known as Usenet. (Or maybe google groups, lol)
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:47PM (#28292426)
> Someone should come up with a pub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work.

As well as NNTP (mentioned in a sibling comment), listserves work for that (and don't just work like email, they use email.) And both have been around longer than the web.

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by omoikane on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @02:18PM (#28292823)
Mastodon and diaspora* might fit this description, especially the "small in size" part.
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by rchaud on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @02:26PM (#28292903)
The only way to do this is with blogrolls/linkrolls and other decentralized mechanisms. Making a centralized repo of links like a Yahoo! style web directory is only going to lead to that directory monetizing its gatekeeper status.
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by lancesells on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:53PM (#28292522)
I would love that but think adding in any kind of automated service will keep it from being the back-then internet.
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by opan on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:49PM (#28292482)
There's gemini. Not the web, but maybe has the vibe you're looking for.

https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by mikro2nd on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:36PM (#28292257)
mstdn.social
Re:Twitter starts to require login to view tweets by leephillips on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @01:39PM (#28292314)
How about email?