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Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by benf76 on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:24AM (#28256406)
There is a risk of creating variants by mass vaccination. If everyone has a uniform defense generated by a vaccine, this creates selection pressures for a variant that is able to maneuver around the vaccine induced immunity.
Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by jeromegv on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:43AM (#28256523)
All the worst variants right now have developed in unvaccinated population.

So either you sacrifice 1-2% of the population and let variants continue while not vaccinating anyone. Or you get vaccinated and reduce your risks of going to the hospital by a ratio of 30:1.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by jrs235 on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:35AM (#28256899)
Curious, how did/does one conclude or determine that the worst variants developed in unvaccinated populations?
Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by gambiting on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:55AM (#28256608)
Absolute nonsense though, as proven by looking at literally any of the diseases we have been vaccinating people for decades. Polio vaccine hasn't caused super polio to emerge, just like vaccines haven't caused super variants of hepatitis B, tetanus or whooping cough - all things that children are vaccinated against.

Even the flu vaccine doesn't cause new variants, and that has a spotty coverage at best.

Like, what you said sounds scienc-y enough that a lot of people seem to believe it, but it's literally not true and has never been true.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by peytn on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:06AM (#28256707)
> it's literally not true and has never been true.

It’s widely regarded to be true for Marek’s disease.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by benf76 on Saturday August 21, 2021 @10:45AM (#28257413)
You are comparing apples and oranges. It is this reason there has never been a successful corona virus vaccine despite decades and billions of dollars of research.

Look up “leaky vaccines”

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by elvatoloco55 on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:02AM (#28256674)
Its not nonsense. Its possible and it has happened but in this case unlikely.

Though there is still concern due to the focus of these vaccines on the spike protein

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by IAmEveryone on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:31AM (#28256445)
There are reasons to believe, and some experience to point to, that this effect doesn’t work with vaccines as much as it does with antibiotics.

It’s a long story, but part of the reason is that bacteria evolve resistance in the presence of the antibiotic, while here, the virus would need to randomly evolve it in the unvaccinated, then sustain useless adaption for a while until it gets the opportunity to infect a vaccinated person.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by maxerickson on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:37AM (#28256478)
Vaccinated people are already regularly getting infected, so it isn't quite that simple.

With Covid, many of the vaccines target a highly functional portion of the virus for the induced immunity. This means that mutations that make the vaccine induced antibodies less effective are at least somewhat likely to alter the function of the virus.

My understanding is that we aren't really able to analytically determine the possibility space.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by leereeves on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:40AM (#28256496)
> the virus would need to randomly evolve [resistance] in the unvaccinated

That's only true if the vaccine stops almost all infections, which the COVID vaccines do not.

There's another comment in this thread from someone who's been vaccinated and sick for 9 days. That's a great environment for the virus to evolve immunity to the vaccine. And it's not an uncommon situation.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by gambiting on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:00AM (#28256649)
>>That's a great environment for the virus to evolve immunity to the vaccine

Again, like the person above you said, it's not that simple. Bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics because they can either avoid or start to digest the chemical that would normally be harmful to them. Here it's not the vaccine that's killing the virus - it's your own immune system, and every single one is different. So yeah, maybe in this person's body the immune system didn't learn to recognize the virus and kill it - it means literally nothing for how another person's immune system will behave when they encounter it.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by leereeves on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:28AM (#28256853)
> it means literally nothing for how another person's immune system will behave when they encounter it.

Vaccinations teach everyone's immune system to target the same part of the virus. Since everyone has immunity to the same spike protein, a change in that protein means something to all vaccinated people.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by bobthechef on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:38AM (#28256483)
Yes, I have read this also.

Big pharma also has an interest in promoting booster shots. It would be a steady flow of revenue. If it causes selective pressures that create new variants, that just means a perpetual market for booster shots.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by gambiting on Saturday August 21, 2021 @08:58AM (#28256625)
>>If it causes selective pressures that create new variants

Except that it literally doesn't, there is no data to suggest that it would, and I have no idea why this particular idea is repeated so much. Like I said in the comment above, none of the vaccines that we use have ever caused super variants to emerge. Zero. We don't have a super variant of Polio, or any other diseases that people get vaccinated against.

Re:Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine? by karol on Saturday August 21, 2021 @09:10AM (#28256733)
Polio is not a coronavirus. SARS has different mutation rate, so this needs to taken into account. Additionally cats, dogs and other animals can be infected and produce unique mutations, unlike polio.