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Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by slg on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:57PM (#28240368)
It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader.

Voat only became "Reddit for white supremacists" because Reddit was pushing many of those users off their platform. Only Fans only became "Patreon for sex work" because Patreon didn't want those users on their platform. Anyone who wasn't one of those groups was better off just sticking with Reddit and Patreon and that only became truer as the reputation became more and more ingrained with the platform's brand.

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by joe_the_user on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:18PM (#28240536)
It is the same problem that Voat had. If you are are a platform that prioritizes minimal moderation in a market dominated by someone who doesn't, the primary reason to use your platform is because that content isn't allowed on the market leader.

This seems like an opportunity, not a problem. Since most platforms simply don't get traction at all, you have something. It's opportunity that involves problems (or "challenges") but you've gotten somewhere on the market chessboard. And most "growth hacks" present challenges.

That said, it's hard to believe that onlyfans wasn't aware they were effective a porn site. Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too. The Internet has a zillion places for any population to go so there isn't a single "off-brand" that a undesirable population X is fated to go to.

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by codetrotter on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:36PM (#28240638)
> Maybe Voat was more naive since white supremacy doesn't monetize the way porn does but I'd be skeptical there too.

Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough. I guarantee you that 50% or more of everything on the front page of Voat at any moment will be very obviously white supremacist type content. They know. And by letting those people dominate their platform for so long, they are effectively saying that white supremacists are welcome on their site, and that they are ok with giving a platform to people who are looking to spread hate against others based on ethnicity and nationality.

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by wutbrodo on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:38PM (#28240662)
> Have a look at the front page of Voat. I’m not even gonna check it myself because I’ve seen enough.

Voat shut down last year (I actually wasn't aware until reading this thread and trying to check the frontpage)

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by 22c on Thursday August 19, 2021 @08:34PM (#28241056)
A site which calls itself Voat and uses Voat branding is back under the domain voat.xyz and it has a higher percentage of extremist content than the old Voat (if you can believe that).

It doesn't appear to be ran on the same codebase or the same database as the "old" Voat, but it can essentially be considered "back".

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by belorn on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:04PM (#28241247)
I have tried to verify every single time in the past when people on HN have pointed at a reddit alternative or subreddit with claims of extremist content, and every single time I have found nothing. When I point this out I have gotten replies (and downvotes) that the content is actually there but hidden in dead comments, which then archive.org do not display. It always leaves me without any way to verify the claim.

This time the site above did actually have some content that match the description. Looking at the top 10 on the front page, 8 is anti-vaccination discussions and 2 is anti-jew. That is significant more than any of the other sites I have looked at, and for once I can verify what the person claim to be true.

(As usual people demonstrate how appreciated independent verification is).

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by nintendo1889 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:34PM (#28241827)
Agreed. It's an attempt to censor indy media, when there's just as much extremist content on the mainstream sites.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by wyclif on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:46PM (#28241503)
But that site doesn't accept new users. So in that way it's not different from the old Voat.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by codetrotter on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:40PM (#28240678)
Ah, so it has. Great!
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by nintendo1889 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:29PM (#28241774)
Voat.co was started by reddit altright. It was less racist when it was on reddit. Mostly memes and the racist stuff was, for the most part, modded down and few and far between.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by slg on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:43PM (#28240707)
>This seems like an opportunity, not a problem.

It is both. If money is the primary driver you should simply accept the opportunity and pivot. However I would guess that the people who founded, worked at, and invested in these companies before the brand change were probably a little uneasy about that "growth hack". I know I would leave any company that to pivoted to white supremacy or porn. The former for personal moral reasons and the latter because our societal morality creates a stigma that isn't worth dealing with.

Plus this content is generally kicked off the original platform for some reason other than morals. It is usually because users are abandoning the platform or other companies are refusing to work with them. Embracing this content can therefore result in headaches like payment processors or cloud providers refusing to work with you.

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by dalbasal on Thursday August 19, 2021 @08:04PM (#28240843)
IDK... if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually. As you say, employees may leave. Investors may leave. Banks may try to drop you.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by joe_the_user on Thursday August 19, 2021 @08:16PM (#28240927)
...if money is all that concerns you, I'd say stay away from porn, or white supremacy. Not much money in being a pariah, usually.

The amount of money in porn overall is vast, generally estimated in the billions.[1] Some pariahs get a lot of money.

I'd agree on white supremacy, still.

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porn-could-bigger-economic-in...

Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by preommr on Thursday August 19, 2021 @08:48PM (#28241136)
Just because the market is big doesn't mean it's easy to get a slice. The food industry is absolutely huge and also very brutal. Margins are razor thin and people get crushed constantly.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by ipaddr on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:00PM (#28241567)
Onlyfans had a big slice.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by kergonath on Friday August 20, 2021 @03:51AM (#28243695)
But that’s a different argument. The point was that being in the porn industry was being a pariah. This simply is not the case and the porn industry is huge.
Re:OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in Oc... by wyclif on Thursday August 19, 2021 @09:45PM (#28241492)
New users can't register at Voat currently, so it seems kind of dead anyway.