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Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:24AM (#28222465)
> iCloud is not end-to-end encrypted

Yet. Have you considered that this might be a necessary precursor to making iCloud e2e?

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by dont__panic on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:41AM (#28222816)
If the goal was to make iCloud e2e, why not release both features at the same time so people can see that they're codependent (in Apple's eyes)? Without any kind of announcment or promise of e2e iCloud, we're just speculating for possible reasons why this might be OK. Might as well guess that this is going to allow Apple to give us free iCloud storage, too, while we're coming up with wishlist features.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:04PM (#28223199)
> we're just speculating for possible reasons why this might be OK.

Sure. All the statements about why it’s not ok are also just speculation.

> why not release both features at the same time

That’s not how Apple typically works. They release a feature, try to make sure it works as expected and only then release the features that depend on it.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by benhurmarcel on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @04:40PM (#28226808)
Then doesn't that seem hypocritical to you to defend dropping Apple right now for the imagined future possibility that all local photos could be scanned (instead of just the uploads)?
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by AbjectFailure on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:01PM (#28223159)
There’s little point in E2E encryption if snooping is moved outside of either end. This measure is only necessary for implementing E2E in iCloud insofar as it allows the feds to do the very thing I want E2E to prevent them from doing in the first place.

It’s as if USPS invented a new type of envelope that is physically impossible to open for anyone whose name is not written on the outside of it. Just one caveat: before they’ll give you any of these envelopes, you must allow them to read the letters being put inside.

If your concern is someone intercepting your mail before it gets to its intended recipient, this is great news. If your threat model involves federal agencies reading your mail, you’re no better off than you would be without these fancy new envelopes.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:03PM (#28224096)
> if snooping is moved outside of either end

Yes, but this isn’t snooping.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by nottorp on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:02PM (#28223164)
Necessary ... for the US government? Definitely not for me.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by IncRnd on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:39AM (#28222777)
Scanning people's on-phone photos clearly has nothing to do with being a precursor to e2e encryption. The photos get transferred either way, so one has nothing to do with the other.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by hkt on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @11:44AM (#28222883)
Except for giving the authorities a way in to replace the one they're losing.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by IncRnd on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @12:52PM (#28223898)
That's not what was being argued, but you made an excellent point.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:03PM (#28224107)
What was being argued was exactly this.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by IncRnd on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @01:23PM (#28224415)
I know what I was arguing, and it was specifically mentioned, so no it was not what was being argued.
Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @02:05PM (#28224912)
> Scanning people's on-phone photos clearly has nothing to do with being a precursor to e2e encryption

This is what you were arguing. It is false.

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by IncRnd on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @04:00PM (#28226341)
Followed by this, "The photos get transferred either way, so one has nothing to do with the other."

It was clearly a technical statement not a privacy statement, so only superficial reading might lead one to believe it meant something that it did not.

That is why I replied that the person who replied to my comment, where I said I had argued something different, but that what he wrote was an excellent point.

So, what on earth are you so invested in that you feel the need to argue minutiae that don't apply?

Re:Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? by zepto on Wednesday August 18, 2021 @05:33PM (#28227457)
> "The photos get transferred either way, so one has nothing to do with the other."

That doesn’t change anything. It may be a pre-requisite from the perspective of their business. You replied to me and I didn’t constrain my point to just technicalities.

> So, what on earth are you so invested in that you feel the need to argue minutiae that don't apply?

It does apply. I’m simply pointing out that what you said is not correct.