Having experienced the original Spotify App myself and having used many Electron Apps daily for years I'd posit that it's naive to claim the responsiveness and snappiness of the original Spotify App could ever be reimplemented in Electron. You're claiming it is, so lets hear about some examples we can actually use?

I’ve worked in the industry for something on the order of like 15 years and have worked on extremely snappy web apps that I don’t personally care to name given my association with them.

I’m sorry you are disappointed by the web. I actually find VSCode to be an impressive achievement with Electron, though, fwiw - which is probably not much given your obvious predisposition.

VS Code is a good general multi-purpose text editor that I use daily, but it's nowhere near the responsiveness and performance of a native editors like Sublime Text.

Opening a 1MB text file with no other VS Code windows open takes up 350MB, Sublime is 48MB. If I want to view a file quickly I'll use a native text editor. But please keep baselessly spouting how Electron produces the snappiest apps and how it's everyone elses fault for assuming just because every Electron App they've ever used is slow, it's not Electron's fault - which apparently when used in stealth internally produces just as fast and snappy UX's as native Apps.

I did not say Electron intrinsically produces snappy apps. I said that one CAN produce snappy Electron apps.

Which is indeed true, but as highlighted elsewhere by more reasonable individuals - the baseline for the web is slow. It requires expertise to do right, and in ways other platforms might not demand.

The benefit? Run it everywhere. The downside? $$$ and time. That’s why most just take their “run everywhere” benefit and accept the fact their app is going to be slow and/or a hog.

We’re discussing the platform’s potential, not the common case result of the platform’s broad userbase.

You're still asserting they CAN without being able to cite any that does. You've only highlighted everyone's favorite VS Code example whose performance and resource usage is definitely not comparable to native text editors.

Everyone already knows the obvious benefits of Electron and why it's popular, that's irrelevant to your baseless snappiness claims on a thread about the impressive UX and responsiveness of Spotify's original Desktop App which even they themselves was not able to recreate when they moved to their new Desktop's CEF/Web UI architecture.

Which explains everything.

When I open a software, I did so for a purpose, and I expect to actually do the thing as fast as possible and be done with UI...that's the reason why TUI apps are popular with power-users

I will say though that I’ve yet to work anywhere else that held themselves to a comparable performance standard.

I have yet to use a fast electron app that didn’t hog ram.

To the extent you understand the tech, though, you understand the problem was never the platform but really the hands it resides in. Nobody thinks its worth the extra work required to heavily optimize a web application.

One needn’t exist for me to be right, as unsatisfying as that may be to a group of folks unfamiliar with frontend perf on the web platform.

You’re being pedantic and are upset that you’re being called out.

The problem is not Electron. It’s far bigger than Electron. I realize this is a take that requires knowledge of the web platform and industry, however, and as such may simply be lost on folks without that context.

You’re being hard headed and am upset I don’t agree with you. Hope that helps

Atom is the Electron-based editor from GitHub. It's way slower than the others.

I can't think of any Electron apps that have low response latency. VScode's is noticeably much higher than, say, Emacs.

Slowness is the natural state of web applications and creating a fast web application is much more difficult and requires a senior team with knowledge about browser implementation in order to avoid or work around the performance pitfalls.

I also have the feeling that such performance comparisons are done with the assumption that the apps under test are almost the only thing running on the machine. If every applications were to start 10 processes taking 1 GB of RAM things would get uncomfortably slow.

Is anything fast on Android? I have a 2017 Samsung and it's always been slow.

I don't upgrade often for financial and environmental reasons but we're not at the stage yet where smartphones are a commodity and performance is stable over the years. There's still performance gains every year and they add up.