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Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by colechristensen on Saturday August 14, 2021 @04:47AM (#28179147)
The question is what happens with a small perturbation and how does it "grow".

For a two body problem, you nudge one of the bodies and it is forever off by a small amount, but your predictions into infinity require only a small adjustment to compensate.

For a three body problem you nudge one of the bodies and only for a very short time do your previous predictions stay true, the change amplifies until nothing you thought might happen before the nudge means anything at all, and a common occurrence is one of the bodies being ejected.

Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by RhysU on Saturday August 14, 2021 @09:53AM (#28180623)
This is sometimes called "infinite sensitivity to initial conditions" or "deterministic chaos".
Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by stavros on Saturday August 14, 2021 @06:05AM (#28179497)
> a common occurrence is one of the bodies being ejected.

So the problem eventually solves itself?

Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by motoboi on Saturday August 14, 2021 @06:13AM (#28179538)
Well, not if the ejected body contains you.
Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday August 14, 2021 @07:47AM (#28179899)
Being ejected from your model is unquestionably a solution of sorts, although it does Raise Questions.
Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by dnautics on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:38AM (#28181476)
Yes, but but also the problem really is: "given some initial condition space, can we estimate the likelihood of ejection (how many conditions in the condition space eject) in X timeframe"?
Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday August 14, 2021 @08:53AM (#28180233)
> For a two body problem, you nudge one of the bodies and it is forever off by a small amount, but your predictions into infinity require only a small adjustment to compensate.

How does this even work? Where is a place in the universe where there are only two bodies?? Where would the nudge come from if not from a third body?! A ghost?

Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by colechristensen on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:22AM (#28181341)
You do an accounting of the nearby massive objects and their distances from each other, pairs of objects within certain bounds of mass and distance can be treated like there are only those two objects in the universe with the understanding that there will be a small error because of outside influences. It’s an approximation, but in the right circumstances a very good one.

Each planet and the sun can be done like this, ignoring all of the other planets. Each moon and its planet can be considered a two body system ignoring the rest of the moons.

If you just randomly generated a bunch of massive bodies and pressed play, you would have few 2 body systems and a lot of chaos, but that’s a problem that solves itself as the chaos results in either collisions or ejections.

Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by mannerheim on Saturday August 14, 2021 @09:03AM (#28180286)
You're taking it too literally. The 'nudge' means a change in initial conditions, and could result e.g. from measurement uncertainty, not necessarily a literal nudge.

It also doesn't necessarily matter that much if there are more than two bodies, if the gravitational influence of other bodies is small enough, then you can model as a two body problem.

Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by mokus on Saturday August 14, 2021 @11:13AM (#28181265)
The “nudge” can also come up even with exact starting information. When you calculate the next step and round it to the nearest nanometer, you’ve just nudged the system by enough to eventually make your prediction worthless in the 3-body case.
Re:Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body ... by mynegation on Saturday August 14, 2021 @09:08AM (#28180321)
The relative magnitude of interactions is important. The article specifically mentioned triple star system as an example. Solar system is of course many body, but (a) it has already settled into (sort of) stable configuration (b) there is one massive body and everything else revolves around it. Yes, massive bodies like gas giants have noticeable affect on other bodies, but due to the distances they tend to be in the stable territory.