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Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by adventured on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:53AM (#28169607)
That's the correct answer. You can't exercise your way out of a high calorie, high sugar diet, unless you're willing to dedicate several hours per day to intense exercise. Normal exercise is an atrocious approach to countering high calorie intake, it simply can't work. You can work out for an hour, and one soda wipes it out entirely, or a couple slices of pizza.

No, the problem is and will remain dietary in nature. Americans could stop all exercise across the board, change their diets, and lose massive amounts of weight trivially, just by cutting out a few common items that nearly all obese Americans over-consume. I've yet to meet an obese American whose diet I couldn't trivially radically alter by just removing a few particularly horrible things (eg sugary drinks, ice cream, pasta/pizza, high sugar snack goods). People think they have to change everything about what they eat and go to the gym five times per week to drop weight, and that's entirely false, all they have to do is eliminate or dramatically reduce the couple worst items in their diet and that's usually enough (it's rare that there are dozens of villains in their diet that matter, it's almost always just a few items that are doing 3/4+ of the damage).

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by traceroute66 on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:21AM (#28170020)
> Americans could stop all exercise across the board, change their diets, and lose massive amounts of weight trivially, just by cutting out a few common items that nearly all obese Americans over-consume

To be fair, the yanks don't even need to change their diets to loose weight .... they just need to eradicate those stupid portion sizes.

A steak doesn't mean half the cow on your plate, a sandwich doesn't mean putting everything you can find in the shop (including the kitchen sink, if you could !) in between two slices of bread ... etc..etc..etc

Its simply grotesque.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by cmurf on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:46PM (#28172070)
Labor and rent are more expensive than the food. The large portions are intended to distract the consumer with the illusion they are paying primarily for food rather than a massive markup.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by handrous on Friday August 13, 2021 @02:03PM (#28172229)
Free refills on sodas with waiters waiting to pounce and refill your cup every time it's 1/3 down from full, can be added to the list.

Also, soda servings in excess of 20oz (already huge!) to begin with, regardless of refills.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by BlackJack on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:34AM (#28170221)
I upvoted this comment, but people are not so dumb to only eat junk food. There are environmental/psychological factors why people overeat. Other research shows that people will overeat "healthy food" i.e. huge dollops of olive oil, or fruit juice, because it's "healthy."

I agree that reducing bad food and portion control is the answer, but it's very hard to drive behavioral change in people. And the health industry has done a "good" job of creating medication to enable bad lifestyles i.e. metformin for Type2 Diabetes, other drugs to manage cholesterol, etc.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by nradov on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:18PM (#28171738)
There's no evidence that a diet high in olive oil increases obesity or all-cause mortality.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by caylus on Friday August 13, 2021 @05:33PM (#28174829)
There's plenty of evidence that eating too many calories increases obesity.

GP's point is that calories coming from a "healthy" source doesn't mean they don't count. Drenching one's salad in olive oil rather than canola oil won't help someone lose weight, nor will switching from soda to a fruit juice with the same amount of sugar in it (ancillary benefits of e.g. vitamins notwithstanding)

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by porlune on Friday August 13, 2021 @10:58AM (#28169680)
>> You can work out for an hour, and one soda wipes it out entirely, or a couple slices of pizza.

Not exactly, just because you've replaced those calories doesn't mean that your body didn't gain muscle mass which itself requires calories just for your body to maintain. This leads to a higher basal metabolic rate, which ends up burning calories even while you rest.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by Retric on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:01AM (#28169725)
That’s overstated, look at say elite marathon runners who do incredible amounts of daily exercise without bulking up.

A 500 calorie workout might only be 400 extra over spending that time sitting on that couch. Similarly extra muscle on it’s own takes energy but fat also burns energy so even modest weight loss balances that out.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by yarcob on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:38AM (#28170304)
Having lots of muscle mass isn't healthier than being slim. It's healthier than being fat, but being slim is going to be a lot easier on your heart, joints, and other organs.

(Have a look at people who are 80+ and fit. Most of them are slim. You don't see a lot of bulked up old people)

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by zeku on Friday August 13, 2021 @12:29PM (#28171073)
Your overall point might be correct, but your old people one is just wrong.

Old people aren't super muscular because you need high levels of testosterone to support musculature, and it naturally declines with age and particularly tanks when you are elderly.

Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by nradov on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:21PM (#28171769)
The digestive system also gradually loses the ability to absorb protein with age. Elderly people actually need more protein just to maintain muscle mass, but most of them fail to adjust their diets accordingly.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by dundarious on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:05AM (#28169779)
Being overweight also raises your metabolism. Focus on the mass, not so much the rate.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by nradov on Friday August 13, 2021 @01:22PM (#28171787)
Lean muscle at rest only burns about 8 kcal/day/kg more than fat. So the metabolic effect is pretty small.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by Scoundreller on Friday August 13, 2021 @03:33PM (#28173496)
At rest sure, but you gotta carry all that extra weight around when you do anything else.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by nradov on Friday August 13, 2021 @07:11PM (#28175987)
Carrying around an extra kg of weight takes roughly the same energy regardless of tissue type.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by junker37 on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:01AM (#28169728)
This is correct. I do cardio 10-15 hours/week and have to count my calories so I don't gain weight.
Re:First batch of student’s washing machines shipped to Iraq by tonyedgecombe on Friday August 13, 2021 @11:30AM (#28170155)
I read some research recently that showed that when you exercise you tend to be less active through the rest of the day. You balance it out without thinking about it.

I've seen that myself, a long bike ride will often be followed by an evening on the sofa.