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Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by KaiserPro on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:46PM (#28040054)
> Data center liquid cooling is going to happen

I mean yeah, but I doubt its going to be mainstream anytime soon.

At the moment its cheaper to just use forced air, and yolo it. Running at half density is expensive, but not as expensive as backfilling everything with liquid cooling.

Also given that we've been able to run 2 socket blades at full bore without liquid cooling kinda suggests its not actually needed.

Having radiators on the front/back of the rack directly works really well. We had it on our render farm. combine that with enforced hot isle/cold isle and you can reduce the need for aircon dramatically, without multiplying your leak risk by at least 96 times.

The massive problem here is that its really difficult to hotswap anything. Those cooling pipes need to be removed before you can pull out the server. Unless they are self sealing (like hydrolic lines) then you need to drain the loop first. That costs a shitload of money at scale.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by ksec on Monday August 02, 2021 @03:47PM (#28041717)
>The massive problem here is that its really difficult to hotswap anything.

And this problem has been there since Day 1 ( For well over a decade ). And no one seems to have solve it. It make sense if you treat the whole Rack as a single entity with water cooling. But for individual server I still dont understand how and why liquid cooling could benefits.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by sandworm101 on Monday August 02, 2021 @04:56PM (#28042523)
>> I still dont understand how and why liquid cooling could benefits.

Because liquid cooling is only a marginal benefit for current hardware, hardware designed to be air cooled. If liquid cooling becomes a norm we should start seeing hardware designed with the expectation of liquid cooling. That could mean greater component density and greater power concentration --> greater speeds. One wonders what CPUs would be like if they were designed with the expectation of liquid cooling, water within a millimetre from the heat source rather than the metal heat spreaders that currently top most chips.

How many fans are in a modern server rack? Liquid cooling could theoretically replace all of those with one moving part, one pump impeller.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by Nexxius on Monday August 02, 2021 @08:43PM (#28044509)
A few years back IBM had a test line of liquid cooled modular components. Lovely things had everything connected & sealed and you could stack multiple identical components. Didn't go anywhere at the time but, the idea could be modified and re-implemented these days similar to your suggestions with great benefits.
Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by meepmorp on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:22PM (#28042836)
> How many fans are in a modern server rack? Liquid cooling could theoretically replace all of those with one moving part, one pump impeller.

Or maybe more than one impeller, because at least with the fans, cooling continues if there's a failure in one of them.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by sandworm101 on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:46PM (#28043661)
Well, perhaps coolant would be delivered to racks at a particular psi/volume just as electricity is today provided at a particular voltage and current. Then an entire datacenter would be served by a handful of massive pumps. Server racks might then have no moving parts, which couldn't harm reliability.
Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by mey on Monday August 02, 2021 @04:38PM (#28042306)
The problems that FAANG have aren't the problems most of us have. Edit: That don't work for those companies. Different levels of scale certainly.

https://xkcd.com/1737/

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by apex3stoker on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:39PM (#28043592)
>I doubt its going to be mainstream anytime soon.

I would like to have a quiet and powerful machine for deep learning. The best one I found come from NVIDIA DGX station. It uses liquid cooling and is <35dB acoustics. The problem is that it is too expensive and, last I check, I think it requires buying support contract from third-party.

If liquid cooling is what it takes to have a quiet powerful machine, I hope it will be mainstream.

Source: https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/Data-Cent...

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by KaiserPro on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:30AM (#28046901)
What we did in the VFX world is just use hardware VDI.

Shove in a https://www.teradici.com/ card, and bam, low latency, high colour accuracy, high resolution remote video.

This allowed us to use the huge machines that drove realtime VFX (your flames, baselite and editing rigs) in utter silence.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by kllrnohj on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:16PM (#28043895)
Enthusiast water cooling would work for you, which if you're not comfortable with yourself you can get from people like Maingear.

But unless you need 4 GPUs, even just 2 GPUs with normal modern air cooling would still be reasonably quiet.

For the overwhelming majority of consumer-oriented products, you don't need water cooling to be silent (or near-silent). Those tower coolers and triple-slot GPU coolers are really good at getting rid of the heat in a noise-efficient manner.

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by gambiting on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:00PM (#28043764)
Why does it need to be quiet though? Don't most of these live in a datacentre with no humans around? I assume you will say you want to keep it in your office or similar, but then I'll just ask again - why exactly?
Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by KaiserPro on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:33AM (#28046924)
Its designed to be in the office, so having a default sound level of 75dB isn't going to be a winner.

Plus I suspect that having watercooling for that machine allows it to fit in a much smaller space. We had a machine that contained 4 RTX 2080s (or maybe the generation before) and it took up a huge amount of space, and never went at full speed, because of the cooling (those consumer cards are not designed for density.)

Re:Liquid cooling next-gen servers getting hands-on by fomine3 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:15AM (#28046196)
The DGX Station designed to run on 35dBA. So Nvidia thinks it need to be run silently because of it should be a monster workstation under your desk.