1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by kungito on Friday July 30, 2021 @05:56PM (#28012898)

Management isn't analysis of data, it is making a decision based on that analysis. A completely different and more complex problem. One could argue that the border between the two is unclear but we have for sure been automatizing the analysis and we are nowhere near removing the managers. Maybe we could say we have removed layers of management though

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by foobiekr on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:07PM (#28013012)

I'm with the bet-the-house guy. I've worked for huge organizations since 1990 and I really think that even a mid-grade student project could make decisions as well as the management I've known, which includes multiple Fortune 50 CEOs. When I say "known" I mean "known" and not "been ten layers under."

What I think will happen is CEOs will be glorified actors that are tasked with delivering the decisions some ML system has made. It'll be like the "white guy in a suit" role that some Chinese companies have.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by bravura on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:45PM (#28014141)

There are strong reasons to believe that tasks that are new to humans and are considered difficult, will be easy to AI. Like programming, finance, strategy, etc

Whereas things humans have developed over millions of years and think are easy, like vision, dexterity, etc might be quite hard and the last things to be automated.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by snowwrestler on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:17PM (#28013998)

ML systems don’t make decisions.

I feel like a lot of comments about what ML will do start with a misunderstanding of what ML actually is.

Saying ML will make a CEO’s decisions is like saying Excel will make CEO’s decisions. Neither is anything more than a system for keeping track of correlations.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by tomrod on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:46PM (#28014149)

ML models don't make decisions, but there certainly are ML systems, within which are ML models embedded with data flows, business logic, etc., which make "decisions" or "adjudications" or "classifications" or whatever term you are trying to avoid here.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by foobiekr on Saturday July 31, 2021 @01:53AM (#28015648)

Neither do most CEOs. What they do is best guess which fully evaluated option for (d)investment they like better based on gut feel. Most business-oriented decisions are basically stack ranking the options presented.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by eitally on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:24PM (#28014024)

This is basically where we are today, except that instead of AI it's management consultants (and they're expensive).

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by whall6 on Friday July 30, 2021 @07:35PM (#28013713)

Because you knew every counter factual, right?

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by StreamBright on Saturday July 31, 2021 @01:58AM (#28015665)

Absolutely. This is why it would be better to chose the best option without the management.

I regularly consult management about technical decisions and the always chose something else than the best option. Based on feelings, opinions and kickback rates.

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Re:1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee by actually_a_dog on Saturday July 31, 2021 @03:57AM (#28016279)

> I regularly consult management about technical decisions....

Well, right there's your problem.

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